Hey guys,

Haven't posted in a while. Then again, haven't had any problems. Always good I suppose. Anyways, I have a lead on a cheap 380SEC. Real cheap. Interior nice, exterior has a few small dings and nices a good waxing. Owner said his kid didn't want it as a first car. Whats the deal with the 380 engines? I've heard horror stories, but I still see a lot on the road. And I am in love with the W126 coupe body. Hell a 560 would be fine too, but too expensive and way too thirsty. I like the old school bundt look anyway. Help me out?

Regards,
Kyle

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The one thing to really watch out for, other than rust, and leaks at the bottom of the rear window, that can be a horror, is Mercedes' mistake on the 1982-early/mid (US version only) 1984 single-row timing chains.

They tended to break and cause mischief when when the tensioner let go, the chain slipped and the engine then grenaded.

The Euro spec ones all had the double row chain though. Even though I co-wrote this back in 1998, it is still considered the definitive buyers guide today on these cars.

http://www.mbcoupes.com/buyersguide/buyersguide.htm

Many of the 380SECs with single row timing chains have been converted over to the double row chain (Mercedes did it for free for a while under a "secret warranty" campaign, now long discontinued.

Other than the relatively lazy hp figures, which make it a leisurely car compared to the 500 and 560 engine SEC, they are durable, safel comfortable, sexy and stylish and long lived cars if kept up.

Autoweek tested a high mile one of them that belonged to some shoe salesman in Nebraska that bought a new one because he could not take his samples on an airplane, for a month, and liked it.

A few years it turned up at a Cleveland car show, I read.

It had 925,000 miles on it.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

If you're ambitious, you could always buy it and look for a 500 or a 560 to put into it. Somebody on either the diesel or the performance sections was putting a diesel engine on one.

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2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

All 380's planet wide debuted with the single row chain. Not just the US ones. It was a disaster world wide. The double row conversion takes care of that though.

- Peter.

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I believe even the 500's had a single row chain at first, didn't they?

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1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

No.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

That is not true. Only the US versions had them, and not for long.

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Well, I wouldn't presume to question your knowledge of SEC's, Jim, but I thought I had read that somewhere.

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" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

If I recall correctly, the Euro 3.8's even had a different bore and stroke than the US-bound 3.8's.

Nope. Same bore and stroke however, different compression and cams makes the US and euro 380s drive totally different. I still have a euro 380SE and it will eat the US 380SE for lunch. Plus it averages 21-22mpg.

Its also for sale.

If you can get it cheap enough go for it, but they were a dud compared to the 500SEC's.

Like the E320's you always rip on.

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Jim, can you determine if the dual-row conversion has occurred without plucking off a valve cover?

Dan,

I dug into my Mercedes archives and found a copy of a January 1981 Road & Track road test of the 380 SEL. According to the article (which may not be correct) the US-spec 3.8 had a bore x stroke of 88.0 mm x 78.9 mm for a displacement of 3,839 cc; whereas the Euro engine had a bore x stroke of 92.0 mm x 71.8 mm for a displacement of 3,818 cc. The stated reason for this was that the longer stroke of the US motor was an advantage for emission control. The US engine put out a rompin' stompin' 155 hp, while the Euro put out 218.

Not easily or definitively. Some folks have tried to do it, by taking off the oil cap, and sticking a little flashlight with one of those flexible stalks down inside and trying to look, but with varying degrees of success.

If I was looking at a 1981-1984, US spec. SE/SEC and it had over 125,000 miles on it, and it had no repair receipts showing a timing chain, tensioner and guide rails in it, that were replaced, I would figure on going ahead and replacing all of that anyway, as preventative maintenance at that time and mileage. Just to be safe.

Concurrently with that job, I'd do the dual row chain conversion right then.

If I were contemplating purchasing a 1982-1985 380 W126 with NO records, and that mileage, I'd find out the price of a dual timing chain conversion, and tensioners and guide rails, and use the price of it as a deduction from the purchase price of the used car that was for sale...

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

Yes you could, but why? It would be VERY expensive, and difficult. Much more so than you would think.

A LOT more cost effective to simply buy a 560SEC. The prices are in the basement for them, these days (due to the price of fuel) and you can get nice ones for amazing prices these days.

Plus, every 560SEC would give you the updated body, wheel and interior 2nd generation upgrades, not to mention things like ABS, airbag, 3rd brake light and all the other good things the earlier ones did not have.

That's right, it was ICEMAN from Canada. It is NOT easy; (the engine is taller than the V8s, and difficult to fit without touching or cutting the hood.)

Also, the SEC is a high speed touring coupe, a GT (Grand Tourer in the truest sense of the wordl) and a diesel engine is incompatible with that zeitgeist.

The discussion came up -

"Put a diesel engine in an SEC? Who'd want to do that? That'd be like cutting its balls off!!"

"Yeah, I understand what you mean. My ex-wife did that to me!!"

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1991 560 SEC AMG, 199k <---- 300 hp 10:1 ECE euro HV ...

1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)