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aklim · #76 02-03-2008, 11:06 PM

Question for the OP. Besides fuel, what else comes from ExxonMobil at the station? Aren't those usually independent owned franchises?

Next. What else from Exxon Mobil should we not buy? What about if the material for our seats come from EM? After all, oil makes other products too. What about them? You going to boycott them too? Good luck tracking down whose product makes what.

Hogweed · #77 02-03-2008, 11:34 PM

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vwbuge - would you prefer that US companies be run so as NOT to make money? *puzzled*

i'm guessing he would prefer that us companies were held accountable for the accidents that happen in the pursuit of making the money. i would love to be able to make billions, f-up 900 miles of coast-line and just walk away when it became too costly for me to clean up. especiallty if i was allowed to just go back about my business of making huge profits (even in times of national emergency-btw-isn't that illegal for small businesses to do? e.g. jacking up milk prices after a natual disaster). scum of the earth

cmac2012 · #78 02-04-2008, 05:06 AM

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You said: See if you can find a leg to stand on without pulling the wornout straw man Booo-$h!t. I had no idea what you were talking about. What has any straw man got to do with this?

All I said was that Hitler too had some good points just like the Hippies did.

Obviously not enough to justify going digging for it.

I'm amazed at the ease with which people use hippies as the new n******. Got have someone to fill that role.

Given the millions of people that filled those roughly defined ranks, assuming you know something based on the use of that term is pretty weak.

I can almost guarantee you that I've seen/experienced more flaky, spaced out hippies than you have. The stories I could tell you. I've also seen some amazing stuff come out of all that back to the land hippie stuff.

Your comparison is absurd. You could just as well try to pigeon-hole Asian-American yuppies. Oh yeah, they're all alike, everybody knows.

RichC · #79 02-04-2008, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Exxon-Mobil, your corner 7-Eleven, an the local beauty shop all have one thing in common with every other business in America -- the requirement to maximize profits. If they fail to do that then they are failing to do justice by their owner/investor. Exxon-Mobil is not a humanitarian organization, it is a for-profit business.

As an investor, I sure as heck don't want my investment money, on which I will depend for retirement, going to some nitwit do-gooder cause. I want to make money off my investment. I donate my own money and time to charity. Leave charity to me and let business do business. Make money. Make ME money.

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I agree with what you are saying.

I have no problems with a fair and free market economy.

The pivitol words here being fair and free.
Which I believe our economy is not.
Companies like Exxon are not playing in the same ballpark as everyone else.
They are given a special set of rules, with advantages for them.

And they can get away almost scot free when they screw up big time like the Exxon Valdeas oil spil.

Botnst · #80 02-04-2008, 06:54 AM

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I agree with what you are saying.

I have no problems with a fair and free market economy.

The pivitol words here being fair and free.
Which I believe our economy is not.
Companies like Exxon are not playing in the same ballpark as everyone else.
They are given a special set of rules, with advantages for them.

And they can get away almost scot free when they screw up big time like the Exxon Valdeas oil spil.

Provide evidence to support you assertion of preferential treatment for oil companies.

Indicate how Exxon was left scot almost scot free in the Valdez disaster.

RichC · #81 02-04-2008, 07:45 AM

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Here is where the Hitlar bull is coming from.

Funny its funded by Exxon.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/23/gore-movie-g/

Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, an organization that has received over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. This afternoon on Fox, Burnett compared watching Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to watching a movie by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels to learn about Nazi Germany. Watch it:

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Botnst · #82 02-04-2008, 07:50 AM

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Here is where the Hitlar bull is coming from.

Funny its funded by Exxon.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/23/gore-movie-g/

Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, an organization that has received over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. This afternoon on Fox, Burnett compared watching Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to watching a movie by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels to learn about Nazi Germany. Watch it:

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That's proof of something, other than Exxon hired a piss-poor propagandist?

RichC · #83 02-04-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Provide evidence to support you assertion of preferential treatment for oil companies.

Indicate how Exxon was left scot almost scot free in the Valdez disaster.

http://library.thinkquest.org/10867/results/status/not/common_loon.shtml
http://library.thinkquest.org/10867/results/status/recovering/pacific_herring.shtml

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Exxon Hires Ex-Official Who Doctored Global Warming Docs

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/14/exxon-mobil-hires-ex-official-who-doctored-global-warming-documents/

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That is about as much proof as I can deal with today.
This siht is just too depressing.

Please read, and open your eyes people and look at what is going on !!

Go have Fun somewhere !
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Botnst · #84 02-04-2008, 08:01 AM

None of those links are evidence that Exxon got away with anything. They do provide evidence of loss of wildlife and paid fines and for clean-up. Notice taht the references provided below are on point and not polemical.

Though I greave for the common loons, how is the common loon population doing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Diver

How much has Exxon paid in fines do to the disaster?
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/June/06_enrd_341.html
http://www.valdezalaska.org/history/oilSpill.html
http://www.jomiller.com/exxonvaldez/usatoday.html

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RichC · #85 02-04-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

None of those links are evidence that Exxon got away with anything. They do provide evidence of loss of wildlife and paid fines and for clean-up. Notice taht the references provided below are on point and not polemical.

Though I greave for the common loons, how is the common loon population doing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_Diver

How much has Exxon paid in fines do to the disaster?
http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2006/June/06_enrd_341.html
http://www.valdezalaska.org/history/oilSpill.html
http://www.jomiller.com/exxonvaldez/usatoday.html

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My references are completely on point.
The freeking picture is of an oil soaked bird caused by Exxon.
What you you want a bucket of oil laiden saltwater from the prince william area ?

And my references are not polemical, or contriversial.
They are facts put together by a leading autority on the disaster.

polemical = contriversial

Just because you use big words does not mean you know it all.

The habitat there is still screwd up.
Both of our references show that.
And is Exxon still paying anyting ?
No they are not.
In fact they spent millions in lawyer fees so they would not have to.

Are they getting away without have to pay.
Yes they did, and are still getting away with it right now.

Did they pay a small taudry, token amount.
Yes.

Did they pay enough to pay for the acutuall damages and cleanup.
No.

Think of the multi million dollar lawsuits that people have won over a spilled cup of hot coffee.

Then think of what Exxon has had to pay for the largest oil spill ever.

Medmech · #86 02-04-2008, 09:07 AM

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The habitat there is still screwd up.
Both of our references show that.
And is Exxon still paying anyting ?
No they are not.
In fact they spent millions in lawyer fees so they would not have to.

Yes they are,

He also countered the effort by some Alaskans to get more money in damages from Exxon Mobil. "The Exxon Valdez trust fund was so large that the administrators of that trust fund were unable to find enough environmental restoration to be done," Ebell said, adding that "much of that money was used to buy private land and turn it into public lands."

Of the $900 million paid by Exxon, $145 million remains in a trust fund administered by a council representing the federal and state agencies and local groups. "If there were any matter in Prince William Sound that needed restoration or repair," Mr. Boudreaux said, "it was the trustees' duty to use this money to remedy the problem."

RichC · #87 02-04-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Yes they are,

He also countered the effort by some Alaskans to get more money in damages from Exxon Mobil. "The Exxon Valdez trust fund was so large that the administrators of that trust fund were unable to find enough environmental restoration to be done," Ebell said, adding that "much of that money was used to buy private land and turn it into public lands."

Of the $900 million paid by Exxon, $145 million remains in a trust fund administered by a council representing the federal and state agencies and local groups. "If there were any matter in Prince William Sound that needed restoration or repair," Mr. Boudreaux said, "it was the trustees' duty to use this money to remedy the problem."

ExxonMobil is still fighting the court-ordered punitive damages won by those harmed by the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/brokenpromises.html

Throwing money at the situation is not the final answer.

Exxon is still shipping huge containers of oil thru areas they should be no where near.

They still want to drill in the artic wilderness refuge.
http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/threats.html

And the whole Valdez incident is just one little pimple on the infested ass of this company.

Jim B. · #88 02-04-2008, 09:25 AM

"IT'S NOT ABOUT OIL"

Botnst · #89 02-04-2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

ExxonMobil is still fighting the court-ordered punitive damages won by those harmed by the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill.

http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/brokenpromises.html

Throwing money at the situation is not the final answer.

Exxon is still shipping huge containers of oil thru areas they should be no where near.

They still want to drill in the artic wilderness refuge.
http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/threats.html

And the whole Valdez incident is just one little pimple on the infested ass of this company.

Whose responsibility is it to determine the safety of the shipping lanes, Exxon?

What does drilling in the arctic have to do with Exxon's culpability in the Valdez disaster?

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RichC · #90 02-04-2008, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Whose responsibility is it to determine the safety of the shipping lanes, Exxon?

unless they want another Valdez like incident, yes they have some responsiblility.
But wait, they do not care, so they will do as they please.

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What does drilling in the arctic have to do with Exxon's culpability in the Valdez disaster?

I was not trying use the drilling as an argument for Exxons fault in the Valdez disaster.
But it sure shows that there morals have not changed one bit after they cause one hell of a disaster.

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