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I do love all people.

Even killers.

But I don't want them to kill me.

Or anyone else.

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History will look back on this torture of people exactly like it looks back
on all torture.

Remember the Salem witch trials ?

This situation is no different.
We are torturing people we are afraid of.
They thought they had a good enough reason for it then.
And some people think we have good enough reason now.

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Why do we kill people, that kill people, to show that killing people is bad ?

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Thanks
RichC

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix

No and you don't either.

This is so much of a softball, I think just quoting it does the trick. A waste of time to point out how stupid this analogy is.

You just joined the ranks of people that have realized that their argument was so stupid that they could not come up with a valid argument and had to lower themselves into making asinine comments
about the person they were arguing with.

I accept your admission of defeat.

Thanks
RichC

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix

At least you spelled "their" right this time....

And further proof of your smallness.

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix

Rich, that you are getting clowned on in three separate threads, and losing your cool to the point of dropping the same cliche in each one, has nothing to do with my size.

Your position on this issue seems to be in the serious minority here, and the analogy to the Salem witch trials is simply not applicable.

Drop another "I accept your defeat" or whatever new frustration blurb you can come up with and re-check your logic when you calm down.

So because my position on this issue is in the minority here it is wrong.
Well your position is difinatly in the minority on the worlds stage, does that mean your wrong.

At a point in time the majority of people thought the sun revolved around the earth, which many at the time thought was flat.

Majority opinion has nothing to do with facts sometimes.

And you never have explained how the torture of supposed witches
is not an applicable analogy with the torture of supposeed terrorists.

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix

A few "waterboarding" factoids:

It's a classic "old school" technique, first documented in 14th century writings as "tormenta de toca" and made popular during the Italian (not Spanish) Inquisition. The procedure had two major virtues: If done properly, it was not lethal and it left no scars or signs of injury.

Over the years, the technique was improved upon by the Dutch in the 17th Century East Indies, where they would slowly fill a captured enemy's throat with water.

Going "underground" in the 19th Century, it regained use in the 20th. The French used it in Algiers, Japanese and US used it in WWII, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, UK used in against Arabs and Jews in the middle east. South American countries Chile and Argentina called it the Asian Torture.

Waterboarding is one of six "enhanced techniques" approved for use:

1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.

2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.

3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.

4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.

5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.


There does not appear to be much evidence, if any, that the Nazis or Soviets employed it.

CIA officers that were subjected to the procedure in training lasted an average of 14 seconds. It was reported that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

I am curious as to why you posted this, because to me it makes waterboarding seem less torturous than alternatives.