No and you don't either.

This is so much of a softball, I think just quoting it does the trick. A waste of time to point out how stupid this analogy is.

I find it unlikely in the extreme that we would catch someone and know that he knew where a device was.

More likely is that we'll torture several thousand fools who know nothing of value and just further sully our reputation.

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Right

Thank God we know who the terrorists are by what they wear on their head.

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Wrong

From the man who knows all.

Could you be a little more vague, please?

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So we are the good guys ?
And they are the evil ones ?

It is not that simple.

This is not cable TV wrestling.
We are not in a death match with anyone.

We are not even at war with the people who commited the horrible actions on september 11th.

We are killing people who did nothing.
They dont even have the wepons of mass destruction that was talked about.

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I misunderstood you--I thought you meant it was unlikely someone here could 'imagine if one of your sons, daughters, ect....was affected first hand by a terrorist' and make a decision from that vantage point.

You just joined the ranks of people that have realized that their argument was so stupid that they could not come up with a valid argument and had to lower themselves into making asinine comments
about the person they were arguing with.

I accept your admission of defeat.

Thanks
RichC

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At least you spelled "their" right this time....

And further proof of your smallness.

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Rich, that you are getting clowned on in three separate threads, and losing your cool to the point of dropping the same cliche in each one, has nothing to do with my size.

Your position on this issue seems to be in the serious minority here, and the analogy to the Salem witch trials is simply not applicable.

Drop another "I accept your defeat" or whatever new frustration blurb you can come up with and re-check your logic when you calm down.

"Remember the Salem witch trials ?

This situation is no different.
We are torturing people we are afraid of.
They thought they had a good enough reason for it then.
And some people think we have good enough reason now."


I am sorry to say this, but that statement makes you sound like have a mental disorder......

A few "waterboarding" factoids:

It's a classic "old school" technique, first documented in 14th century writings as "tormenta de toca" and made popular during the Italian (not Spanish) Inquisition. The procedure had two major virtues: If done properly, it was not lethal and it left no scars or signs of injury.

Over the years, the technique was improved upon by the Dutch in the 17th Century East Indies, where they would slowly fill a captured enemy's throat with water.

Going "underground" in the 19th Century, it regained use in the 20th. The French used it in Algiers, Japanese and US used it in WWII, Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, UK used in against Arabs and Jews in the middle east. South American countries Chile and Argentina called it the Asian Torture.

Waterboarding is one of six "enhanced techniques" approved for use:

1. The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.

2. Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.

3. The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.

4. Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.

5. The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.

6. Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.


There does not appear to be much evidence, if any, that the Nazis or Soviets employed it.

CIA officers that were subjected to the procedure in training lasted an average of 14 seconds. It was reported that Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.

Uh, oh. Now you are going to have to accept your admission of defeat