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Old 04-13-2008, 10:42 AM
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One child is DEAD, right after birth.

At that point, society has a responsibility to curtail the "arrangement" because it's at that point that society has to deal with the after-effects of its consequences.

When you head to a Casino, you think you're going to beat the "house" everytime time? You're going to leave with more than you came in with?
Congenital heart defect was the cause of death.

Fair enough. So what about people whom we KNOW are defective? Should we sterilize them so they don't breed other people who are equally defective? IIRC the Third Reich had a program to do that.

When I go to a casino, I write off the money I bring. IOW, before I go, I ask myself "What can I afford to lose today". Win, lose or draw, that is all.

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Old 04-13-2008, 10:43 AM
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For instance, if a couple took appropriate measures to prevent reproduction, would incest then be okay? Why or why not?
For that part, WGAS? Play ball. Not my problem.
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Old 04-13-2008, 10:46 AM
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I believe some people were put on this earth for my amusement.
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Old 04-13-2008, 07:18 PM
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The social cost/decline from saying its OK.....is huge..
The social cost of organized zealous religion is huge... so we should ban that also? Think of all the money spend on that which could feed, house, and clothe people and otherwise make the planet better instead of spending it stained glass and buildings? I agree with FI, Aklim, 300EVIL and Botnst here. I don't agree with what the couple is doing, but frankly, I don't agree with what most people do. That does not give me the moral high ground or the right to stop them unless it directly effects me. Truly- your right to swing your fist ends where my nose starts. Do not judge others lest you be judged....one of the posters here ought to understand that.
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:18 PM
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The social cost of organized zealous religion is huge... so we should ban that also? Think of all the money spend on that which could feed, house, and clothe people and otherwise make the planet better instead of spending it stained glass and buildings? I agree with FI, Aklim, 300EVIL and Botnst here. I don't agree with what the couple is doing, but frankly, I don't agree with what most people do. That does not give me the moral high ground or the right to stop them unless it directly effects me. Truly- your right to swing your fist ends where my nose starts. Do not judge others lest you be judged....one of the posters here ought to understand that.
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"That does not give me the moral high ground or the right to stop them unless it directly effects me"


So your "OK" with it = None of your business?.........Thats what YOU have stated in the above post...Put another way....You say its wrong to make a judgment on their sexual relationship...right?.........
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:34 PM
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Incest does not automatically result in birth defects/retardation/death/mutation/etc. Incest is much more common in nature than you want to believe. Cheetahs, for example, inbreed often. Purebred dogs are another good example of common inbreeding.
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:40 PM
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If they are adults, I don't want to stand in their way.
So you would allow and condone your daughter to go and have sex with your son? Think about it as a father.
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Incest does not automatically result in birth defects/retardation/death/mutation/etc. Incest is much more common in nature than you want to believe. Cheetahs, for example, inbreed often. Purebred dogs are another good example of common inbreeding.
Hey Forced.....Dont get me wrong....I like you...


But really....Are trying to compare humans with animals???.....oh my...Now thats twisted.........
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:43 PM
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But really....Are trying to compare humans with animals???.....oh my...
Humans ARE animals, apes specifically.

Incest has been seen in Chimpanzee colonies too.
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:45 PM
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Humans ARE animals, apes specifically.
5150 -#2...............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvR2mCx-Jnc&feature=related
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Old 04-13-2008, 08:47 PM
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5150 -#2...............
You lost me on that one, translation?

Are you trying to say you think humans are somehow not animals or are better than every other animal?
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:04 PM
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You lost me on that one, translation?

Are you trying to say you think humans are somehow not animals or are better than every other animal?
Eeeesh........

Enjoy the link/trailer posted above...............
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:19 PM
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Enjoy the link/trailer posted above...............
Possible, given enough time.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:20 PM
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It's a legit question and the answer has all kinds of interesting problems. For example, I think we share the same ancestors of every other life form on Earth. If there really was no special creation then all of our choices are, by definition, natural. Right?

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Old 04-13-2008, 09:25 PM
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It's a legit question and the answer has all kinds of interesting problems. For example, I think we share the same ancestors of every other life form on Earth. If there really was no special creation then all of our choices are, by definition, natural. Right?

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Hey Bot......Do you want Gods (Holy Bible) response to that Q.....or natural mans response to that Q?....

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