I am wearly of the "he said/ she siad" , "lipstick" mentality of this campaign.
Obama proposes "Change". But so what? Candidates have been running on "Change" for years, and nothing changes. Ms Pelossi said she and the dems would change the way business was done in the "People's House", yet she has used all the power available to shut out republicans from any meaningful input. Thats, OK, its the way of "power", but it is NOT " Change".

Has Obama ever specified what "Change" he will produce? Can we believe him? Or will it simply be business as usual with a different set of people nominally in charge?

Please keep the ad homium attacks out of this thread. There are plenty of threads for those attacks. Can we keep this one centered on issues? Assuming there are any.

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OK, so everyone prefers to talk about trivia.
DFon't complain whoever is elected.

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It's about vision for me. Obama understands the world better than McCain, IMO. McCain is locked into an impossibly heroic and divinely destined view of America. It's been getting us in trouble ever since WW2, IMO.

Obama will put more resources towards energy research, he'll come up with a better plan on health, and he'll get us out of the stalemate of Iraq much sooner than McCain.

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You can't change Washington; you can vote for idiots who might/might not do a better job than others as far as keeping out of our lives. The Dems have the house and the senate, and we'd be a wise people to not give all three branches to one party - regardless if that party is Democrats or Republicans. It makes for really bad gov't.

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1989 500SEL Euro
1966 250SE Cabriolet
1958 BMW Isetta 600

There is little substance in either of the two parties that wasn't given to them by their electorate. They continue to follow the well worn paths of successful and failed polices, referring to them as wonderful and in need of expansion, or abominations in need of reform, not because of their results of those policies, but because of their own alliances with the arguments that preceded their passage. They prefer to pound round pegs into square holes since they said it would work, than to loose face and do what's right for the governed.

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(Now waiting under a bridge in order to become one)

Reading your M103 duty cycle:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/831799-post13.html
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/831807-post14.html

Yes, he has. The best source for substantive information I've found is PBS. I just watched a program that gave both candidates in depth interviews. They had a website on the screen, I'm not sure if you can read transcripts or see video there, but it's www.servicenation.org .
Additionally, Obama at least has appeared on The Newshour, which he did shortly before his trip overseas. McCain was extended an invite to rebut, but I haven't seen him on yet. It is possible I missed it. PBS will also run specials on both candidates some time in late September.

McCain's been less accessible for national media, despite all the town halls he's done. Maybe CSPAN has been carrying them, I don't have cable so I don't kow.

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Politicians have substance?

ok...so there might be a few out there, who are still under the illusion that their fellow politicians have the country's best interest in mind, instead of their own.

The kind of person that wants to be a politician in todays world of Politics, is not the kind of person that you should trust... except you can trust that they will find a way to put their hand in your pocket. Everything else, is secondary - including the rest of the world. Greedy, arrogant, ignorant, self serving/centered, bags of rhetoric consisting of hot air and BS. The older I get, the more I loathe hearing about them, and even more so listening to them.
They need to be replaced - all of them....start from scratch with new people, selected by a computer program, not by the people, because unfortunately, the people believe most of the aural vomit they spew forth, and will vote for whatever propaganda machine they believe most, and not for the best person for the job.
Most of the media circus is for entertainment, and to obfuscate the truth - that our politicians, are as ethically corrupt as the propaganda machine used to have us believe the Russian politicians were, back in the 70's & 80's.

Sorry for my rant...every now and then, I have to let it out. Now I am good again for a week or so.

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09 Jetta TDI
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My politician is less conniving, sneaking, and lying than yours. Vote for mine.

Ya, what he said!

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I was just about to start the same kind of thread.

I was trying to figure out how to keep it on real issues.

My best idea was that we focus on what the candidates have really proposed, on real issues.

And to encourage people to go heavy on the " report this post " button
if they think any post is out of line.

I will try to put together some sort of list.
But I gotta go work on a car for a while.

Have Fun
RichC


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I will be interested in seeing what develops. I grow cynical and weary with this process. " Hope" and "Change" are bumper stickers, and not substance. I want more.

ps--if we REALLY wanted change, we would have supported Ron Paul--He was REAL change. But too much change for whomever is the REAL power behind the candidates.

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Here is a 60 page downloadable .pdf called Blueprint for Change
that lays out specific plans from Barack Obama.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

It covers

Obama’s Plan for America,

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When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
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Now I'm really going out there, but what if:

Let the parties select their candidates and have their conventions. Give them 30 days to form their team prepare a proposal to run the country. Document specific plans, financial considerations, staffing... Then run a series of debates or "vendor selection" meetings to discuss their proposals. Run the election after these meetings. Measure the elected officials on their plans. Have enforceable penalties if they deviate.

They all do that gas release -- it's called a "platform".

B

Then where is McCains ?


RichC

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