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pj67coll · #31 11-02-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iwrock

What you guys think about old Mosin Nagant rifles?

A friend has 2 and is modifying one very extensively. It looks good, and it fairly cheap to do stuff to.

I have five. They are neat as a piece of history. I don't modify them for that reason. I'm more interested in the history of the weapons than messing around with them in a gunshop. Some of these are real pieces of history.

I saw a model 1898 MN manufactured under the Tsar which still had it's Imperial crest on it. That meant it hadn't been taken over by the Commies yet. It was saved from such ignominy by being captured by the Germans during WWI. There was a German capture stamp on it. There was also an Austrian stamp on it so the Germans must have given it to the Austrians during the war and thereafter the Austrians gave it to the Finns as it also had a Finnish stamp on it. The Finns used MN's exclusively and they used them very well in fact against the Russians during the 30's and 40's. So that was a rifle that had been thru WWI and II in the hands of four major combatants and still didn't seem to be in too bad a shape. Would have been a great piece of history to have. Unfortunately I just didn't have the money

As shooters. They can be pretty decently accurate rifles though I prefer the K98 to them in that score as well. As regards mucking around with them. If you can find a really common version that's a really beaten up old thing then I guess there's no historical loss modifying them.

- Peter.

Fulcrum525 · #32 11-02-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OMEGAMAN

What happens if you close one door before the other. Be graphic!

Most likely a fairly nasty spin. Here's a question who the f*** sat up one day in his Cessna and said "I have a great idea!"

The only logic I can come up with is that one day someone lost his engine and needed to slow down before landing.

Hatterasguy · #33 11-02-2008, 01:19 PM

Oh you would be surprised what ideas start at bar's. Most of the famous races in sailing started as bets in bars, and some amazing boats were first designed on napkins at bars.

A bunch of guys were probably sitting around a bar drinking beer one night and someone came up with the idea to open the doors...

Fulcrum525 · #34 11-02-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Oh you would be surprised what ideas start at bar's. Most of the famous races in sailing started as bets in bars, and some amazing boats were first designed on napkins at bars.

A bunch of guys were probably sitting around a bar drinking beer one night and someone came up with the idea to open the doors...

More like they just went flying after that trip to the bar and two of them had to puke at the same time.

LaRondo · #35 11-02-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

Fired one today, actualy I was kinda thinking about buying it from my uncle since he never uses it. It's 15 years old and I'd be shocked if more than 50 or 100 rounds have been through it. Looks like a new gun on the outside. Anyway the trigger sucks. Its dead at first than bam it fires. At first I wasn't pulling it all the way and was like WTF, but you just have to yank it. Mind you I oiled and cleaned the trigger assembly yesterday. That dead spot drove me nuts.

Next comes the weight, its heavy. Its like they stuck a tiny littler barrel on an M14 and called it good. Its to heavy for what it is, and the barrel is so light that it gets hot, very hot, very fast. When it gets hot good luck hitting much out past 100 yards. The group got lose, not like on the M1 Carbine, which remained consistant. Even after 60+ years and combat.

The stocks cheap, and iron sights suck. This one had a decent Bushnell scope on it which helped matters.

What I really disliked was the kick. Now the only other 5.56 rifle I'm used to is my friends M4. Comparing a mini 14 to the M4 is like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevy. Not even near the same league. I think it kicks so much because the freaken slide is to big and heavy, lots of mass moving.

Now I had my grandfathers .30cal M1 Carbine as well. Now that is how you shrink the Garand design. Very similer internals, exept on the M1 they got it right. Fantastic little rifle, very little recoil, accurite, easy to shoot. The shrank the action so its lighter, as the should for a smaller round. Even after a lot of use the trigger pull is quite nice. Not as good as the M4, but good enough.

So insted of the mini 14 I'm going to get a K98. I don't feel like dropping $1,800 on a full sized M14 or M4.

Just my 2 cents, I'm sure there are people who love it plus upgrades.

I don't think the M14 was designed to shoot very accurate beyond 100 yards. I fact, I think it's best accuracy is way below 100 yrd.

It also depends a lot on the ammo you shoot.

amosfella · #36 11-02-2008, 07:00 PM

I have a Czech K98. It's a great gun. I'm debating whether to refinish the stock. It's teak and roughly done. I saw a MN with a russian sniper scope on it once, but didn't have the money. It looked brand new.
I want a Russian made SKS. Kind of hard to find. One of the older ones with the machined parts, not the stamped ones.

rwthomas1 · #37 11-02-2008, 08:25 PM

Don't bother with the Mini-14. It just isn't good for much. No historical significance for sure, I think Ruger's intended customer was law enforcement. I've shot them and don't like them either.

If you like history and historical arms then the K98 is hard to beat. Check out www.mauser.org

Mosin Nagants are very cool too and cheap to collect. Never cared for Springfields, though, a bit pedestrian.

Garands are wonderful to shoot and I think they can still be had cheap through the CMP program if you are willing to do the dance to get one.

AR's are easy to build and much cheaper to do it that way. AR receivers can be had for $100-150 and then get a kit for the flavor you like around $450. Assembly instructions are online or get an Army manual for $10 or so. I built a few but sold them as they don't do much for me.

AK clones can be had for $350-400. Get a Romanian SAR1 (AK clone) strip the furniture, remove cheap Russian bar varnish, have metal refinished in black teflon, have AK74 brake installed and you have a very nice AK. I did this....

SKS's are cheap and not worth it unless strictly collecting. If you don't keep them clean they can and will slam fire, that is, go full auto without warning. Ask me how I know....

M-14's are great however they are too damed expensive. They do shoot very well though.

HK G3's are interesting but pricey for a good one. The roller locking mechanisim is neat but the gun is heavy and it tears the crap out of the brass. Don't expect to reload.

I like semi-auto battle rifles myself. The FN-FAL is my favorite. I have built 3 from kits on legal receivers but the kit market has dried up due to ATF changing their BS interpretations of the law. Still FAL's can be had for $800-1000 and the mags are dirt cheap. The history of the FAL is fascinating too. Designed by a disciple of the God of Firearms, John Browning.

If you would like to shoot an FAL or an AK let me know. I can provide both at my range.

RT

amosfella · #38 11-02-2008, 08:40 PM

SKS is the closest thing to an AK that you can get here. Bastards have what are called Orders in Council (similar to an executive order) that have banned almost all guns by name. There are just a few rifles and handguns you can buy now. Handguns can only be carried in locked cases, and you have to belong to a gun club to buy one. And, you have to use the shortest route to and from the range, and you can't make any pit stops along the way.
Bull**** if you ask me. My opinion is this: they're only allowed to have it if the people are allowed to have it. The government gets the power from the people, not the other way around.

Fulcrum525 · #39 11-02-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rwthomas1

HK G3's are interesting but pricey for a good one. The roller locking mechanisim is neat but the gun is heavy and it tears the crap out of the brass. Don't expect to reload.

I like semi-auto battle rifles myself. The FN-FAL is my favorite. I have built 3 from kits on legal receivers but the kit market has dried up due to ATF changing their BS interpretations of the law. Still FAL's can be had for $800-1000 and the mags are dirt cheap. The history of the FAL is fascinating too. Designed by a disciple of the God of Firearms, John Browning.

If you would like to shoot an FAL or an AK let me know. I can provide both at my range.

I'm curious (And sorry if this is a cliche question) how would you compare the G3 to the FAL?

I might take you up on shooting of a FAL offer...

rwthomas1 · #40 11-02-2008, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by amosfella

SKS is the closest thing to an AK that you can get here. Bastards have what are called Orders in Council (similar to an executive order) that have banned almost all guns by name. There are just a few rifles and handguns you can buy now. Handguns can only be carried in locked cases, and you have to belong to a gun club to buy one. And, you have to use the shortest route to and from the range, and you can't make any pit stops along the way.
Bull**** if you ask me. My opinion is this: they're only allowed to have it if the people are allowed to have it. The government gets the power from the people, not the other way around.

That is a real shame. Thankfully we have the Constitution, its Amendments and the Bill of Rights. So far that has allowed us (US) to own lots of neat stuff legally. I have a bad feeling however that Obama will win and we will be losing some or possibly all of these rights in a short time. RT

rwthomas1 · #41 11-02-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

I'm curious (And sorry if this is a cliche question) how would you compare the G3 to the FAL?

I might take you up on shooting of a FAL offer...

Its been many years since I shot a G3 however I remember it as heavier and it definitely had more recoil. IIRC, the field stripping was more complicated too. That said another G3 variant known as the CETME is quite interesting and worth owning.

I have two FAL's built with Steyr (Austrian) de-milled kits, one on a premium US made DSA receiver and the other on an Argentine Imbel. Both with the requisite US made parts to make them legal. I got heavy into gun building for a while and still have several FAL receivers and some very nice kits in storage. Lots and lots of oddball FAL parts, AK and AR bits too. Ah, hobbies....

The shooting offer stands for any forum member. RT

Hatterasguy · #42 11-02-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rwthomas1

If you would like to shoot an FAL or an AK let me know. I can provide both at my range.

RT

My friend tried to buy a G3 but couldn't find one for sale, so went with an M14.

I'll probably get a Garand or K98, or both.

I might take you up on that offer over winter break. I'll bring the M1 carbine.

WVOtoGO · #43 11-02-2008, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Most likely a fairly nasty spin. Here's a question who the f*** sat up one day in his Cessna and said "I have a great idea!"

The only logic I can come up with is that one day someone lost his engine and needed to slow down before landing.

Nope. No spin issues. Just a heck of a lot of pressure on the empennage. As you’re trying to keep the nose pointed down at the ground. (Note that aircraft with dive brakes have them mounted aft of the center of the aircraft, and not forward/under the aerodynamic chord of the wing. Picture: tail wanting to pass nose, but tail keeps it back but only when leaned outside the wash of the two open doors.) You may have a rudder and/or elevator buried on one stop or another. The remaining open door side will drag back, and the aircraft will want to fall towards/onto the closed side. The vertical stab takes a big hit when this happens. Not a good thing. Castings can crack. Pieces can fall off. Pretty much a “suckie-doodoo situation”. Or as we aviators call it: A “Whiskey Fox” situation. As in W-F, or “We’re F’d”.

Here’s an answer to "who the f*** ..." : See pic. From many years past.
(I think others have tried it as well, so I do not take credit for #1.)

Logic ?! We don nee no stink’n logic.

(BTW – If you loose the engine. You’re going to slow down before landing.)

Hatts dead on, too. DJ and I have EA 300LPs. Most of the stuff we dream up doing starts with some form of alcoholic beverage.

1500lbs + Symmetrical wing + 10/10 Gs + 340hp + Jose Cuervo = Hay, I have a great (stupid) idea !!

- Shelby

OK - Back to the cool gun stuff now.

rwthomas1 · #44 11-02-2008, 11:19 PM

Tops the DSA build, middle is the Imbel and the gussied up AK. Eye candy! RT

andersbenz · #45 11-02-2008, 11:48 PM

The FN's (or as the Brit's called them, SLRs) always remind me of those "Be a Man Among Men--Rhodesian Army" t-shirts for sale in the back of Soldier of Fortune magazine.