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Botnst · #16 01-11-2009, 10:24 AM

About 8 g/cm^2 = density of steel.

let's say the plate is 50 cm X 50 cm X 12 cm X 8g/cm^3 = 240,000 g = 240 kg. add in the heavy plate glass windows and door hardware and amenities. Over a quarter-ton per door. Bet they have some brawny lads opening and closing doors.

R Leo · #17 01-11-2009, 10:28 AM

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Is that an Owner's Manual in the door pocket?

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Originally Posted by Presidential Limo Owner's Manual

"If a passenger of foot should obstacle your passage, tootle the horn. Tootle him melodiously at first, but if he continues obstacles your passage, then tootle him with vigor."

t walgamuth · #18 01-11-2009, 12:15 PM

I think it said 8" thick armor, but did not say steel. I would imagine some type of composite material like kevlar. If it were steel there would not be tires strong enough to carry it on only four wheels!

I imagine it runs down the middle of the road!

.....but depending on your point of view it may look like its swerving left or right!

Hatterasguy · #19 01-11-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by R Leo

Is that an Owner's Manual in the door pocket?

I think John Doe said he drove in the Presidential convoy once. If I remember correctly they have strict orders to keep there foot planted and run over anyone stupid enough to get in the way.

MS Fowler · #20 01-11-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

About 8 g/cm^2 = density of steel.

let's say the plate is 50 cm X 50 cm X 12 cm X 8g/cm^3 = 240,000 g = 240 kg. add in the heavy plate glass windows and door hardware and amenities. Over a quarter-ton per door. Bet they have some brawny lads opening and closing doors.

If the doors are properly hinged and balanced, there is no reason to need any brawny lads. However, if the limo gets hit by some artillery, and rolls on its side, then getting the doors open might be difficult.

SwampYankee · #21 01-11-2009, 02:50 PM

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he needs a diesel chip like a bully dog or something to make that thing haul ass

My thoughts exactly! Although you'd have to put a set of wheel tubs in it and make it a dually to get enough traction to move it quickly from a dead stop.

Interesting tidbit about the onboard blood supply. Never thought of that.

I suspect the released details are fudged down a bit, not unlike other military craft.

Botnst · #22 01-11-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I think it said 8" thick armor, but did not say steel. I would imagine some type of composite material like kevlar. If it were steel there would not be tires strong enough to carry it on only four wheels!

I imagine it runs down the middle of the road!

.....but depending on your point of view it may look like its swerving left or right!

Sure enough- armored, not steel. I found an article that mentioned the door weight of a 757 (323 pounds) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/business/757/part03/

This part was especially interesting, though apparently unrelated to the presidential hooptie:

THE DOOR PROBLEM wasn't the only thing discovered relatively late in the development of the 757 that required re-engineering.

In the fall of 1981, an anesthetized 4-pound chicken was loaded in a pneumatic gun and fired at 360 knots head-on into a stationary 757 cab.

The expectation was that the chicken would deflect off the cabin's sloping metal roof. Instead, it pierced the airplane's skin.

"It looked like you had thrown a shot put through it," said Ed Pottenger, a Boeing engineer.

This shocking result, and the realization that it might be repeated if the 757 hit a bird in flight, led to some urgent redesigning of the cabin roof of both the 757 and 767. The challenge was great because several 767s already were flying and had to be cut apart.

mgburg · #23 01-11-2009, 03:06 PM

I was in a Presidential Motorcade...and they (President and Comp.) were riding full-sized Touring Busses...3 in the lead, 1 (Even WE didn't know which bus the President was in) filled with SS-agents and related artillery, 1 with the Pres. and company, and the 3rd with support personnel, then the rest of the motorcade had its usual suspects...more SS-agents, the BLACK CUBE-VAN OF ARMEGEDDON, Security-details, then eventually, two vans filled with the National Press Corp., then 2 vans with local press and finally, more security...security was the bread...we were the vegtables and the President and Company was the meat of this traveling sandwich...the Motorcade consisted of at least 27 vehicles, then the rest of the motorcade was Wisconsin State Patrol Vehicles...and since it was raining, they passed on having motorcycles in that mess...for some reason, I thought I recalled one of the officers telling me later that they had approx. 45 cars rolling that day...in the motorcade itself...

And as R Leo's quote from the Presidential Limo Owner's Manual might indicate that is what the PLOM might suggest should be done...the SS "informed" us that the proper, and only way, to handle "... a passenger of foot ..." was NOT to stop or swerve, but continue straight. "If they are dumb enough to step out in front of a moving Presidential Motorcade, it's not your responsibility to avoid them...if you should happen to strike one, keep going...that's what the trailing detail is for...your responsibility is to get to the next point without delay..."

The reason had to due with a possible terrorist "mis-direction" techniques that have been deployed in the past, in other countries, with various degrees of success...

So, keep in mind...whether the President is riding in a tank, Limo, bus or tri-cycle...your @ss is grass if you get "tapped" in the name of Free Speech. You never win in a test of flesh and vehicle...

Besides, if you survive the initial hit, it's the subsequent ones I'd be more concerned with...

mgburg · #24 01-11-2009, 03:15 PM

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... In the fall of 1981, an anesthetized 4-pound chicken was loaded in a pneumatic gun and fired at 360 knots head-on into a stationary 757 cab. ... [/I]

LOL!!! An anesthetized chicken? What was the ASPCA or PETA thinking about on this one? "We don't want the chicken to feel the impact with the cab." WT?!?!?!?!?!?

That chicken was plucking harp strings and clucking "cluck-by-yah" before it even got out of the barrel...those G-forces had its puny brain shaking hands with its @ss4ole before it was 2" from the end of the barrel itself....

What of waste of medicine....

mytmousemalibu · #25 01-11-2009, 03:29 PM

Hmmm, stupid, If they really did power it with a 6.5L GM diesel. I love GM, especially there diesels but really.....THE 6.5L!!! Shoulda put a D-max in it. Well i suppose it makes it all that much easyier, whom ever attacks him wont hafta try to stop the car, it should fail and stop all on its own! They couldnt armor the car enough for this pres. Theyed been better off glueing a cardboard picture body of a caddy on an M1 tank, then they be time ahead!

Pooka · #26 01-11-2009, 06:27 PM

When SS General (?) Rinehard Heyrich was killed in Prauge he was riding in an open car. The killer just tossed a bomb into the back seat and blew him up. After that Hitler ordered Mercedes to build a fleet of armored cars for what were called the 'big heads' such as himself.

Hitlers' parade car was an open car but could be fitted with a top for travel. The doors on that car weigh 900 pounds each. The total weight of the car is 10,000 pounds.

Offically, only two of these cars are still around. One is Hitlers' and the other is in a mueseum in Prague. The one in Prague is a two-door closed coupe. Mercedes had to find SSK's from the 1930's to build up the cars since Mercedes did not have a current production car that could carry the weight.

Incendently, what really killed Heyrich was not the bomb blast but the make-up of the Mercedes's seat in which he was sitting. The springs and the horsehair blew through him like a shotgun blast and he died of massive infections.

There is a 'test drive' of Hitler's parade car on YouTube.

Pooka

t walgamuth · #27 01-11-2009, 07:57 PM

There is a armored sedan in the Gilmore Museum in Kalamazoo Mi. (At least there was twenty years ago, I assume its still there). ...complete with 1" thick glass windows with bullet holes on the inside of the driver's window because the shots came through the open passenger window!

Its a large unrestored four door mercedes....black.

I need to get out to that museum to see if its still there.

davestlouis · #28 01-11-2009, 08:11 PM

That decklid and the taillamp look more like STS than DTS-style parts, not that it really matters either way. I think a diesel might be a good fit for something as heavy as this car...lots of torque to get it rolling.

Pooka · #29 01-11-2009, 08:31 PM

I looked up the Gilmore on line. No mention of any Mercedes, but what they do have there is worth the time to go through it.

I will add the Gilmore to my list of things to do.

Thanks.

Pooka

t walgamuth · #30 01-11-2009, 09:32 PM

I looked Gilmore up too and found a list of cars. A number of mercedes but not the armored one I saw when I was young....this was maybe 25 years ago. I imagine that car is pretty valuable now. I think I have some pictures of it somewhere.

I wonder where it is now?

OK, I just searched 1936 aromored mercedes limo and found one thats at the mercedes museum. It looks like the one I remember but I don't think the one I saw was as long as this one. This one looks to have three rows of seats.