The Gun Thread

[DieselAddict]

Originally Posted by Botnst

is exactly how we lost Vietnam. They had small arms and were mostly afoot, we had mechanized war. They were willing to absorb huge casualty rates. We were intolerant of relatively low casualty rates. Our politicians surrendered. We lost. The Vietnamese commies won. Same with Somalia.

What makes you think any US civilian insurrection will have the training, cohesion, leadership, and the numbers that the Vietcong had? I think it will be more like the wackos in Waco, maybe just larger in number, but easily put down.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

What makes you think any US civilian insurrection will have the training, cohesion, leadership, and the numbers that the Vietcong had? I think it will be more like the wackos in Waco, maybe just larger in number, but easily put down.

I agree, the uprising would turn on itself, conservatives v. liberals, democrats v. republicans, etc on down the line.
Anybody watch the series Jericho? Sophomoric at best, but interesting. Addresses some of the same issues.

[cmbdiesel]

See why I worry about some of you?

"Police did not immediately release the gunman's identity, but his friends at the scene described him as a young man who thought the Obama administration would ban guns.
One friend, Edward Perkovic, said the gunman feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon.""

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

What makes you think any US civilian insurrection will have the training, cohesion, leadership, and the numbers that the Vietcong had? I think it will be more like the wackos in Waco, maybe just larger in number, but easily put down.

What makes you think any civilian-initiated rebellion has military training at the beginning?

[Hatterasguy]

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Any armed insurrection in this country would come from a disgruntled minority, and be a law enforcement problem that would be easily handled, gun owners in general are not a cohesive group, in fact, a huge chunk of them are black people, who I do not see rising up at this time, and another huge chunk is law enforcement personnel. The rest are home defenders, and oh yes, lastly there is a small group of tin-foil hat right wing nut jobs, who think they could do an armed insurrection, but for the most part, in reality they would never risk their jobs, families and homes in order to make a political point in a country that for all it's faults still gets to pick it's own government every few years. That leaves the hard core nuts. They'd get about as far as The Republic of Texas nuts did a few years back, which was like, mostly shot or in prison.

My favorite in-expensive gun is the Browning Hi-Power clone sold by Fabrique Nationale, they are a few hundred bucks cheaper than the real thing and are so close in quality to the real thing it is amazing.

A few very powerfull business leaders tried in the 30's but there cover was blown when they went to the wrong general.

[pj67coll]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

See why I worry about some of you?

"Police did not immediately release the gunman's identity, but his friends at the scene described him as a young man who thought the Obama administration would ban guns.
One friend, Edward Perkovic, said the gunman feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon.""

There'll always be a whack job, no matter the issue. Pity the police didn't simply kick down the door kill the worthlesssonofa***** as soon as they got there.

- Peter.

[GregoryV022]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

See why I worry about some of you?

"Police did not immediately release the gunman's identity, but his friends at the scene described him as a young man who thought the Obama administration would ban guns.
One friend, Edward Perkovic, said the gunman feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon.""

http://news.aol.com/article/pennsylvania-police-shooting/414264?icid=main|hp-desktop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fpennsylvania-police-shooting%2F414264

what better way to fight a gun ban than with an illegal assault rifle. some people are really stupid

and some of the people here should try this website, www.thegunsource.com

they have all the stuff we want

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by GregoryV022

http://news.aol.com/article/pennsylvania-police-shooting/414264?icid=main|hp-desktop|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fpennsylvania-police-shooting%2F414264

what better way to fight a gun ban than with an illegal assault rifle. some people are really stupid

and some of the people here should try this website, www.thegunsource.com

they have all the stuff we want

Isn't an AK-47 still a legal gun?

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Isn't an AK-47 still a legal gun?

Different states, different laws.

Vive le difference!

[GregoryV022]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Isn't an AK-47 still a legal gun?

really don't know the laws in pittsburg, but it is illegal in cali, where i live.

[t walgamuth]

Restrictions? Clearly what we have now does not work all that well.

I think whatever restrictions we put in place the criminals will get guns illegally.

Probably worthwhile to limit availability though in the hopes of keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people and very young people.

I have a 12 ga pump, my dad's custom stock 30-06 infield, and my dad's first gun a little single shot 22.

I really should get them all out and clean and shoot them.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Restrictions? Clearly what we have now does not work all that well.

I think whatever restrictions we put in place the criminals will get guns illegally.

Probably worthwhile to limit availability though in the hopes of keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people and very young people.

I have a 12 ga pump, my dad's custom stock 30-06 infield, and my dad's first gun a little single shot 22.

I really should get them all out and clean and shoot them.

'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns'
More truth than poetry.

Regulation of sales, and stiff penalties for gun crime. What else is there?

[DieselAddict]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

'When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns'
More truth than poetry.

Not necessarily true, but probably true in this country. This country is too infested with them and has too many freedoms for a gun ban to be effective, and there's also the constitution. But I have lived in countries where guns bans really worked, at the expense of some other things of course.

[DieselAddict]

Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

See why I worry about some of you?

"Police did not immediately release the gunman's identity, but his friends at the scene described him as a young man who thought the Obama administration would ban guns.
One friend, Edward Perkovic, said the gunman feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon.""

I think this is why the assault weapon gun ban needs to be brought back. Of course murderers don't care about laws, but the idea is to limit access. It can make all the difference in some people lives, like these cops.

[cmbdiesel]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Not necessarily true, but probably true in this country. This country is too infested with them and has too many freedoms for a gun ban to be effective, and there's also the constitution. But I have lived in countries where guns bans really worked, at the expense of some other things of course.

The only time a gun ban works, is when the guns aren't already in the hands of the populace. There are so many in our country, and we make so many more every year, that we will never be rid of them. All we can do is limit the sale and (hopefully) the production of the particularly nasty ones. It would be nice if we could start limiting the sales to other countries as well, but that's a different animal.