The Gun Thread - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

unkl300d · #46 03-31-2009, 12:55 AM

p.s. pistol grip on a rifle? maybe the same reason a hammer drill has a handle
besides a 'pistol' grip.

SirNik84 · #47 03-31-2009, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by diametricalbenz

And who or what is going to make that distinction?

Skynet

mytmousemalibu · #48 03-31-2009, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by unkl300d

BTW Mistress your avatar is still my fav ! Nice guns !

Hands down, I concour aswell

My take on guns: Current laws have good and bad points, ill leave it at that.

As far as new gun control/limitations,taxes, etc. All BS, if they outlaw guns... I'll be an outlaw...

I like em, ima gun nut/sporter....As many rounds as i can get, large cap. magazines, pistol grips, bayonets, suppressors, full-auto, massive ammo cache, all of it. I have no bad intentions, i assure you. My only prenotion would be self defence, and the above list would not be my self defence choices. I have a nice Taurus PT24/7 PRO, .40S&W and 4 full 15rd mags loaded with Fed/Mil TAP rounds. I happen to like this kind of stuff so naturally, i want it. And just because some dont think i should....makes me want it even more just for spite. When it comes to my constitutional rights (which are NOT outdated) I tend to get my right wing @ss chapped when there trying to be revoked!
Our government has gotten way to big for itself. Its 5-Tons of ***** in a 5Lb bag.

Skippy · #49 03-31-2009, 02:50 AM

Restrictions: (Pretty much IAW current law) no felony convictions, no one adjudicated (as in by an actual judge) mentally defective, and no one dishonorably discharged from the military. Also illegal for illegals, but then they shouldn't be here anyway. More stringent restrictions for Class III weapons, but I think new ones should be allowed to those who qualify.

Favorites: After not liking the AR-15/M-16 for several years, I've developed an appreciation for it. I still like the AK-47, though factory sights could be better. I'm also quite fond of large caliber large frame single action revolvers, as well as the M1911 family and most Glocks. I've been thinking that I should acquire a 12-gauge shotgun as that would facilitate my taking up bird hunting, and we have many tasty birds here in Nevada.

Botnst · #50 03-31-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Why would you need the extra tactical maneuverability of a pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun? Do the deer in your area come at you from all sides or around corners?
Besides, I didn't invent the definitions, your congressional representatives did.

I feel more strongly about the large magazines. Of course if the deer are swarming you, having the pistol grip and the 30 round magazine could save your life.

The 2nd amendment wasn't written to guarantee the right to hunt deer.

It was all about protecting the individual's household and community from external threats. It is of equal importance to the 1st and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights. So named because of those amendments' restrictions on government's ability to step on the neck of the people.

The 2nd Amendment is a tool for guaranteeing the other amendments in the Bill of Rights.

strelnik · #51 03-31-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JollyRoger

Buy a file, it doesn't take a lot of effort to convert them. That's why they should be more tightly controlled.

I guarantee you it is NOT that easy to do, unless you want to kill yourself in the process by converting a gun made to fire with a closed bolt into one that fires with an open bolt, but oh it can't and the parts come together and they are not supposed to kinda like when a timing chain breaks and the gears and the valves and the pistons all clash and BBBBBOOOOOOOOOMMMM! in your face, baby!

catmandoo62 · #52 03-31-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Skippy

Restrictions: . Also illegal for illegals, but then they shouldn't be here anyway.

how about you HAVE to be a U.S. citizen.not here on a work visa like so many mexicans.

Medmech · #53 03-31-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

Agree 100%. Sadly, the Constitution is the document that is most often overlooked/ignored when the firearms discussion arises.

Because most people have not read the Constituition in its entirity and don't understand enough to discuss it and that goes for gun nuts and hippies.

pj67coll · #54 03-31-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

Because most people have not read the Constituition in its entirity and don't understand enough to discuss it and that goes for gun nuts and hippies.

That's undoubtedly true. I wonder how many folks have ever read *anything* in it's entirety?

- Peter.

Mistress · #55 03-31-2009, 10:52 AM

this might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution

cmbdiesel · #56 03-31-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

The 2nd amendment wasn't written to guarantee the right to hunt deer.

It was all about protecting the individual's household and community from external threats. It is of equal importance to the 1st and all other amendments in the Bill of Rights. So named because of those amendments' restrictions on government's ability to step on the neck of the people.

The 2nd Amendment is a tool for guaranteeing the other amendments in the Bill of Rights.

OK, thanks for the Constitutional primer course.

Did I miss the clause stating 'The right to pistol grips and large volume magazines shall not be infringed'?

If it was so cut and dried what the framers of the constitution had in mind, we wouldn't be having this discussion. The 2nd amendment is very open ended and it is the different interpretations that cause all the uproar. Personally, I agree with the interpretation that it is intended to keep the gov't honest (kinda failing there), but if we start revolting against the gov't, the pistol grips and large magazines aren't going to help. We will need the army on our side, or we'll lose. Can't fight a tank with a rifle.

cmbdiesel · #57 03-31-2009, 11:12 AM

or this one -
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

pj67coll · #58 03-31-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

If it was so cut and dried what the framers of the constitution had in mind, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

It's cut and dried allright. "right" and "shall not be infringed" are pretty simple words that cant really be interpreted to mean anything other than what they mean.

However. The argument will continue forever simply because there are large numbers of people who dont care for the US constitution and are determined to stuff their opinions down other peoples throats and if that means destroying the constituion to do so they will happily try.

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We will need the army on our side, or we'll lose. Can't fight a tank with a rifle.

Not necessarily. Plenty of oppressive governments have been overthrown thruought history when the army was on their side. What's really the deciding factor is the will of the citizenry. Do you realize just how small and inadequate the US military actually is?

- Peter.

JollyRoger · #59 03-31-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by el presidente

Agree 100%. Sadly, the Constitution is the document that is most often overlooked/ignored when the firearms discussion arises.

Yes, they keep ignoring that "well regulated militia" part, and like many here, prefer "unregulated mob".

JollyRoger · #60 03-31-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

It's cut and dried allright. "right" and "shall not be infringed" are pretty simple words that cant really be interpreted to mean anything other than what they mean.

However. The argument will continue forever simply because there are large numbers of people who dont care for the US constitution and are determined to stuff their opinions down other peoples throats and if that means destroying the constituion to do so they will happily try.

Not necessarily. Plenty of oppressive governments have been overthrown thruought history when the army was on their side. What's really the deciding factor is the will of the citizenry. Do you realize just how small and inadequate the US military actually is?

- Peter.

I would suggest you look into the "Bonus Army".