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Old 04-07-2009, 03:35 PM
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Illegal aliens and the census...

Sorry for the bold. It is from the article.

I think this is a load of horse puckey... These people should not be here, cannot vote and should have no bearing on the census... Stopping ICE raids for a year is inviting disaster...

Advocates Want Halt on Immigration Raids to Ensure Accurate Census

U.S. Rep. William Clay says he'll ask the Obama administration to suspend immigration raids over the next year, so illegal immigrants don't worry that sharing accurate information with Census workers could somehow expose them to punishment.



Some lawmakers are calling anew for the U.S. to relax its immigration laws -- not to provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants, but to ensure statistical accuracy.
The calls come as the Census Bureau prepares to kick off the 2010 Census. Critics argue that unless the government is willing to relax immigration laws, millions of people -- afraid to their share their personal information -- will be left out of the count.
U.S. Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., who chairs a House oversight subcommittee on the Census, said he plans to ask the Obama administration to suspend immigration raids over the next year.
He wants the raids put on hold so illegal immigrants don't worry that sharing accurate information with Census workers could somehow expose them to punishment, even deportation.
"There are many people -- Hispanics, African-Americans, whites, Asians -- who have an irrational fear of government, who distrust government, who don't believe that if they give the federal government personal information, that that information is not going to be confidential," said Arturo Vargas, of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials.
The kind of move Clay is proposing has been done before -- in 2000, and even earlier.
Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, was working for the border patrol ahead of the 1990 Census when the orders came down to suspend some enforcement efforts.
"It distorts the count because people might be apprehensive about answering the door, or reporting accurately how many people are living in a house or residence or an apartment, or those kinds of things -- at least that was the rationale," Reyes explained.
But the call to pull back the reins on immigration enforcement is opposed by many of Clay's colleagues, including the ranking Republican on the House oversight committee.
"We're not talking about one day of not doing raids. We're talking about a period of time. Is that a week, a month or a whole year? We cannot suspend law enforcement," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.
The Obama administration has sought a freeze on arrests of illegal immigrants, upending an enforcement policy that was in widespread use during the last years of the Bush administration.
There has only been one mass arrest of immigrants since Obama took office, which came as a shock to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who ordered a review of the incident. All but one of the illegal immigrants arrested in the February raid were released and given legal work permits.
Opponents of the move to relax immigration laws say that given the national security threats facing the nation, asking law enforcement officers not to do their jobs is not an option.
Republicans estimate the government will spend tens of millions of dollars this year targeting immigrant communities with the message that anything they share with the Census Bureau will not be used against them.
FOX News' Shannon Bream contributed to this report.

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I think they SHOULD be counted, then the INS will know how many buses it will take to send them back.
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I think they SHOULD be counted, then the INS will know how many buses it will take to send them back.
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Old 04-07-2009, 04:05 PM
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I think they SHOULD be counted, then the INS will know how many buses it will take to send them back.
Since I work for the 1/2 of INS that became CIS (Citizens and Immigration Services - the visa part) I understand what you are saying. I would love for ICE (IMMIGRATION and CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT The "La Migra" part) to be able to round them up. However, the idea of stopping raids for a year is ridiculous. I see the buses full of 'undocumented workers' (PC speak for illegal aliens) leaving the ICE facility all the time. If they stopped doing this, we would be flooded with an even larger wave of UW's as they come to find out that they can cross over the border witout fear of being sent back. Since these people cannot vote and should not even be here, stopping raids to count them is crazy.
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I think they SHOULD be counted, then the INS will know how many buses it will take to send them back.
Or bullets it will take to shoot them. Remember, a high powered rifle can shoot thru several bodies at a time.

Dig the bullets out of the last guys and hammer them into the employers.
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I see the buses full of 'undocumented workers' (PC speak for illegal aliens) leaving the ICE facility all the time.
Someone said that calling an illegal an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
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Someone said that calling an illegal an "undocumented worker" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist".
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So now you want to shoot them? Tell me, who invited them here with jobs, cheap apartments and easy credit for cars? And tell me, who will you shoot first, the women or the children?
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Gotta love PC speak
Living in Madison, WI, you'd think I would have picked up more PC speak but thankfully not.
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So now you want to shoot them?

Tell me, who invited them here with jobs, cheap apartments and easy credit for cars?

And tell me, who will you shoot first, the women or the children?
You break into my house, IOW come in uninvited and I will do all in my power to put lead in you, but I digress. What do you do with cockroaches and other vermin?

Ah, I see, that is the excuse for it. I met this guy who needed to claim insurance money. I like to play with fire and burn things since I was a kid. Sounds like a match made in heaven since he is offering me money to burn his place down. Not my fault, you see, he asked me to do something illegal.

Shoot the women first. That way they can't reproduce. The kids you can take your time shooting.

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However, the idea of stopping raids for a year is ridiculous.
+1. There is risk in crossing the border illegally. This is one of them.
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Since these people cannot vote and should not even be here, stopping raids to count them is crazy.
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You break into my house, IOW come in uninvited and I will do all in my power to put lead in you, but I digress. What do you do with cockroaches and other vermin?

Ah, I see, that is the excuse for it. I met this guy who needed to claim insurance money. I like to play with fire and burn things since I was a kid. Sounds like a match made in heaven since he is offering me money to burn his place down. Not my fault, you see, he asked me to do something illegal.

Shoot the women first. That way they can't reproduce. The kids you can take your time shooting.

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