"The Case for Working With Your Hands" - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

John Doe · #31 05-27-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

Interesting that both Chicago and Taos would come up. My sister recently moved back to Taos after moving to Chicago from Taos 4 years ago, and travels through the artistic and musical circles (she's into ceramics, painting, silkscreening-now in charge of venue promotion at the Taos Inn). Every one of her friends that I've met are from somewhere else and a good number of them fluctuate back and forth between the two locations. Must be the places to be for art!

OK, I'm not making this up, but the one in Chicago went to college near Taos and lived there for several years, before moving to Chicago

Its all about to be a moot point, because his apt. building in the Pilsen district has just become very valuable and he and his Russian girlfriend are moving to Portugal as soon as it sells

SwampYankee · #32 05-27-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

OK, I'm not making this up, but the one in Chicago went to college near Taos and lived there for several years, before moving to Chicago

Its all about to be a moot point, because his apt. building in the Pilsen district has just become very valuable and he and his Russian girlfriend are moving to Portugal as soon as it sells

Nice gig!

Some of those artsy-fartsy types are incredibly shrewd businesspeople, they just don't want anyone to know it.

aklim · #33 05-27-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I believe that true worth in work is by what you produce physically, not on paper. it's the feeling of accomplishment at the end of the day that give true feeling of self worth.

Great article

As long as someone is willing to pay for it, sure. OTOH, if your passion is booger collection and you see your booger ball increase in side daily along with your feeling of accomplishment and feeling of self worth but your table is constantly empty and you have no roof over your head, I wonder what those good feelings are worth. IOW, can you afford those good feelings?

aklim · #34 05-27-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

Parents want junior to get a top education so he can be a great doctor or big-time executive. Of course, that's where the money and status is. What parent dreams of their kid being a gardener or painter? Only in more cases than not, junior starts out in the business world and stalls out in middle management where he uses few or none of his learned credentials. Parents should really ask themselves what they are setting their kids up for.

He said if you can follow your passions, you won't have to 'work' a day of your life.

Well, Duh! Why would I want my kid to have to struggle thru life living paycheck to paycheck and never knowing whether you are going to have dinner tonight or not? Would you want such a life for yourself? I know I wouldn't.

True. However, what if your passion doesn't pay? My passion is collecting boogers or living on a beach testing Strawberry Daqueris. Unfortunately they don't pay. What you were doing is giving your kid the best CHANCE he has to have a decent life.

aklim · #35 05-27-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver

a certain way is necessary.

I don't think it is an issue of which way is necessary as much as which way gives you the best bet. As they say, the race does NOT always get won by the strongest or the fastest but that is the way to bet. Sure, my father could have indulged me and let me entertain my fancies of being a male giggolo for beautiful rich women. Who knows, I might actually make out on top (pun intended)

but I think the odds are better if I were to try be something that has paid out in general as opposed to some weird dream that might not work out.

aklim · #36 05-27-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by link

I only read the first page of the article. I didn’t know that many schools had abandoned the shop and craft-centric courses. That is a mistake

Problem is our school kids, lets call them "The Unfortunate Incarcerated", can't even do the 3Rs and do them well. TUI, on top of everything have to deal with people who are there, against their will, hence the term TUI. Having them learn other skills when they can't even master the basic skills needed is a little bit of a hard sell.

raymr · #37 05-27-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, Duh! Why would I want my kid to have to struggle thru life living paycheck to paycheck and never knowing whether you are going to have dinner tonight or not? Would you want such a life for yourself? I know I wouldn't.

True. However, what if your passion doesn't pay? My passion is collecting boogers or living on a beach testing Strawberry Daqueris. Unfortunately they don't pay. What you were doing is giving your kid the best CHANCE he has to have a decent life.

Yes I know, but if that gesture is flatout rejected - - -. All you can do is watch and listen as they find their own way. This seems to happen quite a bit, from what I gather talking to others. He knows what he DOESN'T want (a desk job) and will do whatever necessary to assure he doesn't end up there.

John Doe · #38 05-27-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

living on a beach testing Strawberry Daqueris. Unfortunately they don't pay.

Your miserable world of flawed logic falls short again, this time at the feet of a friend:

http://www.poolbarjims.com/

aklim · #39 05-27-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe

Your miserable world of flawed logic falls short again, this time at the feet of a friend:

http://www.poolbarjims.com/

They pay you do just sit at the beach and taste test daqueris? How much? If it is a livable wage, I might just go there. Somehow I suspect they will want me to do more than just sit and drink but if they do, I'm quitting my job

mgburg · #40 05-27-2009, 04:29 PM

Arts involve some understanding of spacial relationships, math and some logical reasoning...

When the kids can't, or don't have the abilility to, figure out how to connect one piece of the puzzle to the next, let alone figure out what fraction of an inch needs to be shaved off the other piece to get them to fit properly, then frustration sets in...eventually, they quit. Their desire to learn is throttled and they feel stupid that THEY CAN'T get something accomplished. To make matters worse, they get teased and taunted because they lack the BASIC SKILLS needed to accomplish the simplest of tasks.

What happens?

As a result of the "dumbing down" of your kids, the quality of their work is a direct reflection of amount of time we, as their teaches, put towards their education standards.

It's not the kids that quit...WE QUIT.

God da*n hippies and panty-waisted idiots...afraid of a hard-day's work and rigid standards. They want everything to be "huggy-fluffy" and "all-sides-win-all-the-time" and "We're all winners!" B.S..

Then, when the kids fail, we're no where around to help them out...we just point at them and say "You should have paid attention in school!" when we let the "screw-systems" take the kids down the path of failure with our indifferent blessings...

Today's kids' failures are the result of our yesterdays' lack of true due dilligence in their education.

And yet, we continue to fund this example of corrupted learning as if there's nothing we can do about it...at an estimated level of over 50% of our regional taxing levels...

Unbelievable!

jplinville · #41 05-27-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

As long as someone is willing to pay for it, sure. OTOH, if your passion is booger collection and you see your booger ball increase in side daily along with your feeling of accomplishment and feeling of self worth but your table is constantly empty and you have no roof over your head, I wonder what those good feelings are worth. IOW, can you afford those good feelings?

i can more than afford them...I do what I love for a living. It isn't a job to me, it is a hobby where I get paid. I'm a toolmaker by trade, with extensive design experience in the aerospace industry. what's not to love about it?

Plus, i have an extensive collection of booger balls for sale...Interested?

jplinville · #42 05-27-2009, 04:58 PM

if you don't enjoy what you do for a living, then it's too much like work...and nobody likes to have to work!!

aklim · #43 05-27-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

i can more than afford them...I do what I love for a living. It isn't a job to me, it is a hobby where I get paid. I'm a toolmaker by trade, with extensive design experience in the aerospace industry. what's not to love about it?

Plus, i have an extensive collection of booger balls for sale...Interested?

Like I said, if your passion coincides with good remuneration, good for you. OTOH, if not, well, you have choices to make. Like the song goes "If you are not with the one you love, love the one you're with". What he probably meant was that if you are not having sex with someone you love, have sex with the one you are with at this time (might include Rosy Palm or Left Hannah for some people).

Haven't found a buyer yet? Try Ebay. You can sell most anything there. Supposedly even the "lips" of a porno star.

aklim · #44 05-27-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

if you don't enjoy what you do for a living, then it's too much like work...and nobody likes to have to work!!

True, however this is the way I look at it. When I go to a hooker, I am having fun and she isn't (I believe she is but won't show it for fear I will lower payment rates). As such, she gets paid and you do the paying. So, if I am getting paid, it is because I am not enjoying myself or so the assumption on the other side goes. If I am paying, it is because I am enjoying something or so the assumption goes. Therefore, if I happen to enjoy myself and get paid, that is a happy coincidence but not necessary for life.

tomee · #45 05-27-2009, 07:05 PM

Just talk to your kids about money, all the time. It will sink in.