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Old 07-31-2009, 06:59 PM
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People downloading music think agian

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tec_music_downloading

For those people who download music via torrents, p2p networks let this be a warning to you
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:05 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090731/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tec_music_downloading

For those people who download music via torrents, p2p networks let this be a warning to you
The RIAA announced a few months ago that they stopped issuing lawsuits. This article makes no mention of that. Instead, the RIAA is trying to work with ISPs to limit uploading...which has worked. Most ISPs have issued download and upload bandwidth caps which has helped curtail mass uploading. This article is merely a settlement from an outstanding, existing case. Misinformation about music downloading in general is all over the place.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:18 PM
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YOU WILL NOT GET SUED.

The RIAA announced a few months ago that they stopped issuing lawsuits. This article makes no mention of that. Instead, the RIAA is trying to work with ISPs to limit uploading...which has worked. Most ISPs have issued download and upload bandwidth caps which has helped curtail mass uploading. This article is merely a settlement from an outstanding, existing case. Misinformation about music downloading in general is all over the place.
ok buddy when you ar in court for copyright infringement then maybe you will understand. Yes its the only the 2nd case ever to go to court but the bottom line here is that violating copyright laws will not be tolerated. Just like the Bernie madoff case its to send a clear and strong message.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:21 PM
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ok buddy when you ar in court for copyright infringement then you maybe you will understand. Yes its the only the 2nd case ever to go to court but the bottom line here is that violating coyright laws will not be tolerated. Just like the Bernie madoff case its to send a message to people that copyright infringment wont be tolerated.
I wasn't stupid about my downloading. I was able to slip under the RIAA radar for years during the Napster boom and never got a warning. I download everything legally now, or purchase albums (I am a vinyl freak) and rip them to my own personal computer (which, apparently is illegal too because you share them with yourself). The article I posted maintains a "watch" is placed on an account. They dropped opening cases in 2008. So if you got a watch or warning letter before summer 2008 you should be careful.

Edit: Sorry for editing some of my posts and sort of making a mess of this thread, I want to make sure that you don't target me as an illegal downloader, nor do I want to disillusion people (Yes, I admit the first sentence in my original post was wrong) but just tell people what the RIAA has announced.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:30 PM
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I'm not stupid about my downloading. I've been able to slip under the RIAA radar for years and never got a warning - the article I posted maintains a "watch" is placed on an account. They dropped opening cases in 2008. So if you got a watch or warning letter before summer 2008 you should be careful.
You think you're a unique case? Most people never even get a warning.. only a select unlucky few get sued, and only as a way for the RIAA to make an example of them, which doesn't seem to work.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:39 PM
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You think you're a unique case? Most people never even get a warning.. only a select unlucky few get sued, and only as a way for the RIAA to make an example of them, which doesn't seem to work.
A lot of times the ISP will give the user a cease and desist notice, and if that doesn't stop it that they will move forward. True, some get caught out of the blue. Colleges (where I've solely downloaded for the last 5 years - make that LEGALLY seeing as Amazon and iTunes came out) give students a cease and desist warning. I know several who have gotten in trouble for downloading stuff and stopped after the C&D.

I'm not urging anyone to download illegally, do so at your own risk and obviously legally is preferred. But I think the facts should be known - the RIAA DID announce they were stopping the lawsuits (remember reading it on Yahoo and Ars technica) but apparently that didn't really do much. What a swell group!

Once again, my disclaimer: I DO own most of my music, any that "technically" I don't own is "technically" owned by my college radio station which has purchased the albums. I don't distribute anything (they are DRMed anyway), nor do I download illegally ripped albums.
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Old 07-31-2009, 07:32 PM
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I'm not stupid about my downloading. I've been able to slip under the RIAA radar for years and never got a warning - the article I posted maintains a "watch" is placed on an account. They dropped opening cases in 2008. So if you got a watch or warning letter before summer 2008 you should be careful.
You think you're a unique case? Most people never get a warning.. only a select unlucky few get sued, and only as a way for the RIAA to make an example of them, which doesn't seem to work.

So how do they set these hilarious fines? It's not as if you can tell your insurance company to give you 500,000 dollars because your 5000 dollar car got stolen.
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So how do they set these hilarious fines? It's not as if you can tell your insurance company to give you 500,000 dollars because your 5000 dollar car got stolen.
Statutes set the fines. Simple math.

Shoplifting is a crime; taking shellfish from another fisherman's traps is a crime; even borrowing my bicycle without permission is a crime . . . but everything on the internet should be free.
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How does Youtube get to post all those videos? Actually probably works out good for the industry because after hearing some long forgotten tunes on Youtube I bought some songs from different sites that I wouldn't have if it wasn't for Youtube.
Someone told me that if your town plays a song during a parade they pay, so I can't figure how Youtube gets around the copyright issue.
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I was somewhat erroneous. You can apparently still get sued even after the RIAA made the announcement they were going to stop suing. However there isn't a thing you can do going forward (although this is the one case since announcement) because they sued for a case opened in 2007. SO....technically they are not OPENING any cases, but they are still tracking them. Regardless, they just can't seem to do anything right...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/hypocrisy-or-necessity-riaa-continues-filing-lawsuits.ars
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A quick trip to Chapter 7 will take care of that judgment.
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Btw I have zero remorse for the RIAA, copyright infringement or not they handled it wrong and lost billions over the years because of it. They only realized it after a decade, rejecting analysis and opinions from consultants, media, politicians, and MOST importantly the musicians themselves (btw I'm a musician as well) because they were determined this was the best way to go about things.

FWIW I own almost all of my music legally, spent thousands on it over the years. Also, this "end of lawsuits" commentary doesn't apply to the MPAA.


Edit: sorry for all the posts, different things coming to mind. I'll edit my first since it is technically erroneous.
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i have a hard time with this issue.

first of all, i remember vividly recording tapes in the 80's. we recorded tapes all the time, off the radio, tape to tape, mix tapes, etc. i don't remember anyone getting sued. i don't recall any of the dual tape deck manufactures being sued for producing equipment to copy music.

second, i remember cd's costing upwards of $18.00 to $22.00 when i was in high school. that is insanely high, especially for the quality of a 'made in china' cd. it's poor quality material, poor quality music, and poor quality packaging/marketing. going to the movies at the theater is somewhere around $10 now, not to mention the insane prices on food and drink as well...

now, if i remember capitalism correctly, it's the buyers who set the price, correct? if someone prices their product too high, no one buys it, the purchaser has affectively "set" the price, and the seller is left with empty pockets.

so, the consumer is saying "wow, this crap cost too much and i'm getting little value out of it for my money. i believe i'm going to get my products elsewhere, for cheaper." they then go online and find it for a lower price, or free. doesn't seem like business rocket science to me. i'm sure more people would purchase their movies and music if they were made to last out of quality materials and you were paying the artists, not a bunch of uncreative CEOs and marketing departments.

i'm personally waiting for the industry to produce a better quality product for cheaper. or even a better quality product NOT cheaper. cd's are NOT worth what the recording industry are asking for them. going to the movies is NOT worth what they're charging. cable and satellite tv are NOT worth what they're charging for them monthly, especially with the actual cost of air time of shows vs. air time of commericals. not to mention no one has a "mix and match" station package yet. come on...i gotta pay for crap i don't ever want to watch just to get the three channels i want to see? that's ridiculous with todays technology.

the greedy, greedy recording industry suits put themselves in this position. i have no sympathy for millionaires missing out on another chunk of un-earned money. swindlers getting swindled doesn't pull my heart strings, and these outrageously high settlements just prove what kind of out of touch scum they are, and certainly doesn't help their PR or cause.
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...i remember cd's costing upwards of $18.00 to $22.00 when i was in high school...
Actually, I remember when CDs were first introduced, they were $16...I was just finishing college.

It was a financial shock for most of us, when the vinyl counterparts were around $10 during the same era.

I remember reading up on the issue and discovered that the $16 price point was set so high because there were only 4 companies in the entire world with the technology available to manufacture CDs. It was assumed that the prices would go down considerably over time.

That never happened.

I have no love for the record companies. I don't download illegally, but I am happy that iTunes and other download sites offer alternatives to being forced to purchase entire albums full of lousy tracks in order to get one decent "hit".
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I belive the same rationalization can be used to justify using a color copier to duplicate paper currency.

How can any industry compete against "free" when it has to bear the up front development and distribution costs?
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