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Old 11-17-2009, 09:02 AM
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Is this going to be on the final exam?

I was thinking more in terms of differences imposed on societies by outside influences such as their environment (current or historical). Is it possible that a nomadic, agrarian, or industrial society would develop different fundamental characteristics? For example, some types of environments/lifestyles may favor large, stable families (agrarian), while others (industrial) may provide enough resources for a leisure/intellectual class that has the time/resources to think deep thoughts.

In a agrarian society a stable family unit may be a necessity for survival (a single person is probably not capable of surviving as a subsistence farmer). It seems that this society will favor marrying young and having many children. It also seems that a more fundamental religious tradition would support the "family values" necessary to maintain this type of lifestyle. Because this society would value stability over innovation, it would tend to be very conservative and intolerant of any "free thinking," especially if it would cause a disruption (women taking on non-traditional roles, unmarried children moving away from the farm, children choosing to remain single, etc.).

Obviously, an industrial society would tend to favor different characteristics. Due to the specialization associated with a more complex society, innovation may become more valuable than stability. This society may be more individual based than family based. Women remaining single and entering the workforce may be an advantage, men may not need a stable, large family to participate in the "family business," in fact it may be advantageous for them to remain single. This will tend to be a more diverse society, and specialization will require individuals to deal with others who may not share their "values." I suspect that this will tend to favor a more "tolerant" tradition that will be reflected in the religions (or lack of religions).

I would also suspect that the transition from one type of society to another (agrarian to industrial) would cause significant societally pressures. The traditional subsistence farmer may not be amused when his gay son decides to become a coffee house performance artist instead of providing grandchildren and helping with the harvest. The social/religious authorities are not going to adjust quickly either. It's not surprising that a few generations of unrest will be required to complete the transition.

Or, maybe not?
I agree with a lot of that although the difference between agrarian and industrial I don't think is a pressure put on a society by an outside force but an internal transformation of a society. That's why I was thinking about differences of internal psychological states of single guys as opposed to married rulers of families in that transition.
In the back of my mind was the puzzle that if you looked at the world in 1200AD and compared Christian Europe to Middle Eastern/Central Asian/African Islam you would not have imagined that in 1900, the Europeans would have ruled the world. I think there are lots of reasons for that surprising change including the evolution of better sailing vessels by Europeans and the fact that the Islamic Empire was largely land based. Also the location of coal deposits around the globe favored European industrialization over Islamic. However, neither of those facts explain the reason why there have been no creative Islamic philosophers since the 1400's and little intellectual innovation that has transformed Islamic societies in the way that European societies were turned upside down. My developing hypothesis is that Muslim societies lacked enough smart single men.
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