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Old 12-02-2009, 06:13 PM
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WTF? Chris Mattews calls USMA the "enemy camp"?

I can't get to the video of this to see what he actually said, but if in fact he said any such thing is just an indication of what an IDIOT this person is. The professional officer corps of the US, fed largely in part by USMA, is and has always been just that; the professional officer corps for the US. It supports the NCA and always will.

As a retired US Army officer, I find what Matthews said so offensive that I am apoplectic. Just because lttle Chrissy thinks that most USMA cadets have different political views of the POTUS that it is an enemy camp shows how low lefties (with bad ratings) will go to insult the tradition of the career of arms. He needs a good ***** slapping, because that is just what he is for saying this.

The Army Officer Corps supports the chain of command, no matter what the officer's personal beliefs are. To think that a group would do otherwise is to impune treason.
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Its what he and others in the lame streem media truly believe

its not a word slip its a true feeling on his part

dont be shocked they the Media condoned spitting on Vietnam vets coming home not that long ago
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:22 PM
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dont be shocked they the Media condoned spitting on Vietnam vets coming home not that long ago
Urban myth.

I imagine there were a few incidents of rude behavior here and there regarding soldiers returning from Vietnam. I never witnessed it and I don't know anyone who did.

But you show me evidence that some media outlet of any substance at all condoned spitting on Vietnam vets.
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Urban myth.

I imagine there were a few incidents of rude behavior here and there regarding soldiers returning from Vietnam. I never witnessed it and I don't know anyone who did.

But you show me evidence that some media outlet of any substance at all condoned spitting on Vietnam vets.


after 40 years in groups with other brother veterans and hearing what happened to them, as well as having it happen to me BTW the guy who did me tripped down the stairs in san fran airport ( twice ) after he thought he had the right to that sort of free speech

stick to what you know dude not what you don't think happened

some how you missed the anti war protests WERE you in a cave.

on the military buses used to trans port us we were told under no circumstances were we to get off the bus and or talk to the protesters that greeted us at the air port WHAT DO you think they were yelling BTW hello
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Old 12-03-2009, 03:27 AM
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after 40 years in groups with other brother veterans and hearing what happened to them, as well as having it happen to me BTW the guy who did me tripped down the stairs in san fran airport ( twice ) after he thought he had the right to that sort of free speech

stick to what you know dude not what you don't think happened

some how you missed the anti war protests WERE you in a cave.

on the military buses used to trans port us we were told under no circumstances were we to get off the bus and or talk to the protesters that greeted us at the air port WHAT DO you think they were yelling BTW hello
Of course I was aware of the anti-war protests. I was never around a big one - sat in on a couple of small ones at Wa. State U. in 1971.

It's is clearly not right that rank and file troops would be abused for the boneheaded orders they were sent out on.

It was an ugly war, a tumultuous time.
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Old 12-02-2009, 08:09 PM
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Urban myth.

I imagine there were a few incidents of rude behavior here and there regarding soldiers returning from Vietnam. I never witnessed it and I don't know anyone who did.

But you show me evidence that some media outlet of any substance at all condoned spitting on Vietnam vets.
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Are you referring to the spitting or the war?
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I didn't say no vets were spit on. The urban myth is the notion that support of that sort of thing was widespread. Jzjzjzjz said that such things were condoned by the demon "media."

There is a possible lesson in the rude treatment endured by some returning vets from Vietnam. Not every mission our president sends soldiers to perform will be unfailingly moral and glorious just because the red, white, and blue is waved at regular intervals. Wholesale deployment of deadly force, widespread killing, the poisoning of land, etc. are modes of behavior fraught with peril.

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I didn't say no vets were spit on. The urban myth is the notion that support of that sort of thing was widespread. Jzjzjzjz said that such things were condoned by the demon "media."

There is a possible lesson in the rude treatment endured by some returning vets from Vietnam. Not every mission our president sends soldiers to perform will be unfailingly moral and glorious just because the red, white, and blue is waved at regular intervals. Wholesale deployment of deadly force, widespread killing, the poisoning of land, etc. are modes of behavior fraught with peril.

There are no guarantees in life. One must be one's own navigator.
As I remember it, the press seemed to enjoy reporting on the spitting incidents. As a result of the coverage, the incidents increased in severity and number.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:24 PM
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Its what he and others in the lame streem media truly believe

its not a word slip its a true feeling on his part

dont be shocked they the Media condoned spitting on Vietnam vets coming home not that long ago

Thank you very much. I was one of those soldiers spat upon in the Detroit airport when I came back home....

I truly wish that there was a draft again if only to get those people to show common courtesy. I am amazed how the mainstream media can slander the military, but man when the enemy is at the gates, do they change their tune.

The people in Kuwait who hated Americans learned that real fast when they were invaded by Saddam, but liberated by VII Corps. After that they became real nice to us poor dogfaces...

I see two generals twice a week on my job and they spend much more effort at doing the right thing than any corporate officer ever did, with the exception of Bob Lutz.

Talk about ethics...why don't the commentators trash the corporate execs? Answer: because they are afraid it will cut their income stream....

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Thank you very much. I was one of those soldiers spat upon in the Detroit airport when I came back home....

I truly wish that there was a draft again if only to get those people to show common courtesy. I am amazed how the mainstream media can slander the military, but man when the enemy is at the gates, do they change their tune.

The people in Kuwait who hated Americans learned that real fast when they were invaded by Saddam, but liberated by VII Corps. After that they became real nice to us poor dogfaces...

I see two generals twice a week on my job and they spend much more effort at doing the right thing than any corporate officer ever did, with the exception of Bob Lutz.

Talk about ethics...why don't the commentators trash the corporate execs? Answer: because they are afraid it will cut their income stream....

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You can't be truly surprised.
Chris Mattews is just a jerk
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:19 PM
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He's a wise ass but he's no dummy. He just apologized for and clarified those remarks.

It was a poor choice of words but any pol reputed as a lib/lefty is likely to have fewer allies at West Point than a hard core Rr hawk. Eisenhower was the first I know of to give the concept a prominent mention.

Glenn Beck recently wondered what gave Pres. BHO the right to think he could stand in the way of "the Generals."

The demon Stephen Colbert skewered him with the footage:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/257716/december-01-2009/u-s--army-chain-of-command
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He's a wise ass but he's no dummy. He just apologized for and clarified those remarks.

It was a poor choice of words but any pol reputed as a lib/lefty is likely to have fewer allies at West Point than a hard core Rr hawk. Eisenhower was the first I know of to give the concept a prominent mention.

Glenn Beck recently wondered what gave Pres. BHO the right to think he could stand in the way of "the Generals."

The demon Stephen Colbert skewered him with the footage:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/257716/december-01-2009/u-s--army-chain-of-command
Beck & Colbert are jerks....I can assure you that "the generals" will do exactly what the POTUS tells them to do. It is their responsibility to assess the situation as they see it from a warfight position, and advise the NCA of what they find.
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Old 12-02-2009, 07:41 PM
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Beck & Colbert are jerks....I can assure you that "the generals" will do exactly what the POTUS tells them to do. It is their responsibility to assess the situation as they see it from a warfight position, and advise the NCA of what they find.
Colbert is far above Beck in mental acumen. He's a smart ass no doubt but quick on his feet.

The generals will do the right thing but don't count on Rr pundits and pols to know what the right thing is.

I'm not surprised that BHO would get a cooler reception at WP than Bush did. Hawkish young men are going to regard Geo. W. Bush as the coach who will put them in the game and BHO as the guy who is going to lead a discussion on whether or not this particular game should be played.

We have civilian leadership of the military in this nation for a very good reason.
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