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Old 02-06-2010, 10:28 AM
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I dont see the need to keep 1/2 the world alive when the Aid we send them and they stick there middle finger at us in return

The aid money is being borrowed and we tax payers pay for it not the goverment we send it to we never get anything in return NEVER

what happened to the billions sent to haiti and its all gone already YA THINK - they should have given everyone in the country 200,000 dollars and sold them everything we would have been in better shape as well as the people of haiti -- just an example - jz
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:11 PM
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I dont see the need to keep 1/2 the world alive when the Aid we send them and they stick there middle finger at us in return

The aid money is being borrowed and we tax payers pay for it not the goverment we send it to we never get anything in return NEVER

what happened to the billions sent to haiti and its all gone already YA THINK - they should have given everyone in the country 200,000 dollars and sold them everything we would have been in better shape as well as the people of haiti -- just an example - jz
X2 on that. To me it is insane to send monetary aid to other countries when we flat out don't have the money. It's kind of like me not being able to afford groceries for my family and using my mastercard to buy groceries for my neighbors. It's not that I don't want to help, but you have to take care of your own first.

Obviously, government spending is completely out of control. The lords are spending more than the slaves can make for them, not to mention obstructing our ability to thrive and compete with ridiculous laws like "cap and trade". If the government ever expects us to be able to recover they need to do what John Galt said; "get the hell out of the way"
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:25 PM
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I dont see the need to keep 1/2 the world alive when the Aid we send them and they stick there middle finger at us in return

The aid money is being borrowed and we tax payers pay for it not the goverment we send it to we never get anything in return NEVER

what happened to the billions sent to haiti and its all gone already YA THINK - they should have given everyone in the country 200,000 dollars and sold them everything we would have been in better shape as well as the people of haiti -- just an example - jz
Who receives the most aid from the USA? Should that be cut off or reduced?
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:30 PM
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Who receives the most aid from the USA? Should that be cut off or reduced?
How are we defining "aid" by the way? From what I see, aid to say Haiti is a dead end. We aren't getting anything from them. "Aid" that is used to by influence or people into our way or thinking, is that considered aid also? Problem is the word "aid" is overused because we don't want to come to grips with the fact that we are doing this to get that. For instance, if we give a country "aid" but we get to use their harbors and ports, is that really "aid"? Sounds more like a barter or sale to me.
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How are we defining "aid" by the way? From what I see, aid to say Haiti is a dead end. We aren't getting anything from them. "Aid" that is used to by influence or people into our way or thinking, is that considered aid also? Problem is the word "aid" is overused because we don't want to come to grips with the fact that we are doing this to get that. For instance, if we give a country "aid" but we get to use their harbors and ports, is that really "aid"? Sounds more like a barter or sale to me.
Define it anyway you want then go back to the question.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:38 PM
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Define it anyway you want then go back to the question.
Before we can answer the question, we need to figure out what the definition of the word is. If you put giving to the United Way in the same category as giving money to others for your food, it might make things complicated. One is a purchase, the other a donation with little expected in return except a tax write off.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:59 PM
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Before we can answer the question, we need to figure out what the definition of the word is. If you put giving to the United Way in the same category as giving money to others for your food, it might make things complicated. One is a purchase, the other a donation with little expected in return except a tax write off.
Well feel free to define it anyway you want then see if you can answer the question.
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Well feel free to define it anyway you want then see if you can answer the question.
Well, the way I define "aid" is that it is help, money, etc, etc, given to someone who cannot be of service to us in the near future. IOW, me giving money to United Way or the Susan G Kommen Foundation is basically aid. If I am getting something back in return, it is no longer aid. It is a sale. You owe me money and I wipe off the interest, it is aid. You owe me money and I wipe off the interest and maybe some principal and you give me your wife for a night (Indecent proposal, sorta) is not aid.

If you want to cut off what I define as aid, go for it. If you want to cut off the barter, trade or whatever you want to call the exchange, you need to be really careful about that.
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Who receives the most aid from the USA? Should that be cut off or reduced?
FWIW, here are some numbers; they are fairly small amounts and concentrated in parts of the world where the US thinks it has a "national interests." In other words, it's not primarily charity:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2010/tables/10s1261.pdf
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