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Old 02-06-2010, 11:54 AM
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How easy would it be for me to sell you on the idea that you should buy me a new car but you can't ride in it or use it except if your birthday falls on the 29 of Feb and it is a leap year ending in the number 0? Like all govt programs, it starts with a good intention and then morphs into something unrecognizable. Which is why I want as little govt intervention in my life. I cannot afford any more of their "help".
I agree, we need to kill it before it gets any worse; unfortunately, we are the generation that will get hosed when it goes away. Oh well, it's only money.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:05 PM
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I agree, we need to kill it before it gets any worse; unfortunately, we are the generation that will get hosed when it goes away. Oh well, it's only money.
Like heroine, we have become so dependent on govt intervention for everything. Things were bad at the last election and people were thinking that Obama could solve all the problems. Well, he can't but people don't stop thinking that he can. Yes, you can tell me it is unrealistic but that is life. When the nursing home the wife was stationed at was closing, they had a resident's meeting to tell them. The FIRST question was "Why isn't the govt doing something about it?". That is the mentality that people have these days.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:13 PM
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Like heroine, we have become so dependent on govt intervention for everything. Things were bad at the last election and people were thinking that Obama could solve all the problems. Well, he can't but people don't stop thinking that he can. Yes, you can tell me it is unrealistic but that is life. When the nursing home the wife was stationed at was closing, they had a resident's meeting to tell them. The FIRST question was "Why isn't the govt doing something about it?". That is the mentality that people have these days.
That's the mentality people have had for about 50-60 years now. We can't solve everything by redistributing domestic wealth, we can't afford to support a military that was designed to fight WW3, and we can't support people who choose to retire in their 60s just because they think they are entitled.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:31 PM
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That's the mentality people have had for about 50-60 years now. We can't solve everything by redistributing domestic wealth, we can't afford to support a military that was designed to fight WW3, and we can't support people who choose to retire in their 60s just because they think they are entitled.
And yet, the democrat party wants a health care system that we can't afford.
Sorry, don't mean to be partisan, but if we are borrowing money to meet today's expenses, why are we even considering adding trillions more to what the government spends?
Sometimes "no" is the responsible answer.
And to be fair, Lets cut the military budget. I don't want to harm our security, but we can bring home the troops stationed around the world, and moth-ball a lot of equipment.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:35 PM
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And yet, the democrat party wants a health care system that we can't afford.
Sorry, don't mean to be partisan, but if we are borrowing money to meet today's expenses, why are we even considering adding trillions more to what the government spends?
How much MORE does the proposed Healthcare plan add to what we spend now?

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Old 02-06-2010, 12:53 PM
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And yet, the democrat party wants a health care system that we can't afford.
Sorry, don't mean to be partisan, but if we are borrowing money to meet today's expenses, why are we even considering adding trillions more to what the government spends?
Sometimes "no" is the responsible answer.
And to be fair, Lets cut the military budget. I don't want to harm our security, but we can bring home the troops stationed around the world, and moth-ball a lot of equipment.
Regarding health care, we all know that everyone who needs health care in the US is currently receiving at least minimum care and the US economy is currently paying for it (one way or another). We do not have people dying in the streets for lack of healthcare. We also know that we are not going to stop providing basic care for everyone. The only question is how we want to pay for it in the future, and will it be more or less efficient that the current system.

Healthcare is not a new expenditure; what the democrats proposed was a transfer of a private expense to a public expense; I don't know if that's the best answer or not. I agree that the democrat's plan would put this expense "on the books" so it would show up as part of the debt. Now it's hidden in our insurance payments and doctor's bills, but we are still paying for it. I am also concerned that a government run program could have very high overhead costs.

The military and the civilian leadership need to figure out what their current/future missions are and design an appropriate force. They cannot afford to do everything at once. Also, we (both parties) need to stop engaging in military operations that are outside the budget. If it needs to be done, figure out how to pay for it. If a tax increase will be required, tell the public up front.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:56 PM
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And yet, the democrat party wants a health care system that we can't afford.
We can afford the present healthcare system even less. The Republicans don't want reform because they get paid by corporate interests to oppose it.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:14 PM
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We can afford the present healthcare system even less. The Republicans don't want reform because they get paid by corporate interests to oppose it.
I am sorry, but that is BS. I am paid by no one. My political views are based on principles; not graft.
There may be some whose affections are the product of corporate graft, but not me.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:23 PM
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I am sorry, but that is BS. I am paid by no one. My political views are based on principles; not graft.
There may be some whose affections are the product of corporate graft, but not me.
Of course no one pays you. You're not an elected representitive.
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