You're supporting terrorism, oh my GOD!!!! We're all gonna' die! Extremists! Extremists! Next they'll be mentioning founding fathers and constitutions and Declarations of Independence! Save us...

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86 300SDL 387,000? Motor committed suicide
81 300SD 214,000 "new" 132,000 motor
83 300SD 212,000 parts car
83 300SD 147,000

91 F700 5.9 cummins 5spd eaton 298,000
66 AMC rambler American 2dr auto 108,000
95 Chevy 3/4 ton auto 160,000
03 Toyota 4runner 180,000 wifes

Yeah, forget the Constitution--just make it up as you go.

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How nice of you to make my point for me. Paid for with "tax increases" and "increased Medicare expense" and "some other additional revenues" Money doesn't appear out of thin air, it has to come from somewhere. The funds from "taxes" are paid by all of us. Tax applied anywhere in the system is paid by ALL eventually. Tax the wealthy and they, increase the cost of the goods their companies make/sell (which hurts the working class), buy fewer products/services (which hurts the working class) or they pay the accountants and lawyers to simply avoid the taxes altogether.

I don't need to show you and anyone else numbers, all I need to ask is when in HISTORY was a government project on budget? Well, we know where they'll find the additional funds.....

I don't see where you get off equating me to a Right Wing Conservative. I'm an Agnostic, I believe that all medicine SHOULD BE socialized, all drugs should be legalized. The incarcerated on drug charges should be released immediately. Its far, far cheaper to treat addicts than incarcerate them. I'd leave Iraq and Afghanistan right now. So how does ANY of that make me what you say I am? I'm against *****ty bills, *****ty goverment, and idiots that follow blindly to whatever a leader says is a good idea. I believe in STATES RIGHTS, let them decide what is good for them locally and keep the Feds out of it. Oh yeah, I happen to like guns.

I'm against them taking ANY more of my hard earned money than they already do. The Dems and Repubs spend like drunken sailors and people STILL think one is better than the other.

BTW, its Robert William Thomas. Not much more Anglo than that.

RT

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03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K

Someone earlier asked what was the difference between Gov run and Gov controled....

No oil company is gov run, but much of it is subject to gov control. Many states require oil companies to submit proposed production runs a month or so in advance so the state will know if an oil shortage is coming, and every state requires daily well production reports be turned in so they will know how much tax to collect from the oil producer per barrel produced.

No pipeline company is gov owned but ALL are gov controlled and I mean right down to the last little detail of operation. Many US transportation systems are this way.

One thing that comes with total oversight by the gov is a built in profit. Insurance companies now have to pay out a maximum of 85% of what they take in. The flip side of that is they now, by law, get to keep 15% of what they take in.

I have not noticed any insurance companies screaming over this since many are now going to make more profit than they have before. Yes, some will not survive, but I have had many Republicans tell me that if a company is not capable of competing then it should not be allowed to survive.

As was also mentione before: insurance company stock is going up. I think I know why.

If you really want to resolve your basic concern, push for a ballanced budget amendment to the constitution. Make sure it includes military expenditures. Good luck getting that done.

The military budget is way outta control. 2010 military budget = 1 trillion dollars(+/-100 billion). What the hell are they doing with all that money?

Who says's we don't have the money for health care? Cut the military budget 10% and national HC is paid for. I'd venture to say(guess) that the USA spends more on the military than the rest of the world combined. Talk about wasteful spending.


Where is the outrage?

Budget for 2010
For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of Defense rose to $533.8 billion. Adding spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.8 billion.

When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009 the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than Obama had requested. [3][4] Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff expected an additional supplemental spending bill, possibly in the range of $40–50 billion, by the Spring of 2010 in order to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. [5]Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[

Emergency and supplemental spending
The recent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were largely funded through supplementary spending bills outside the Federal Budget, so they are not included in the military budget figures listed below. In addition, the Pentagon has access to black budget military spending for special programs which is not listed as Federal spending and is not included in published military spending figures. Starting in the fiscal year 2010 budget however, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are categorized as "Overseas Contingency Operations" and included in the budget.

By the end of 2008, the U.S. had spent approximately $900 billion in direct costs on the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. Indirect costs such as interest on the additional debt and incremental costs of caring for the more than 33,000 wounded borne by the Veterans Administration are additional. Some experts estimate these indirect costs will eventually exceed the direct costs.

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"We" are still trying to be the world's policeman. Good intentions, too ambitious, poor implementation, no end game.

FYI, the healthcare bill is a done deal now:

http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=10205547

If you really believe that health care for all citizens can be obtained without any expense, I've got a bridge to sell you.............

Naturally, it's going to cost some money............and the those targeted for the payments can easily afford to provide it. No, the taxes are not "paid by all of us". They almost certainly will not be paid by you. Therefore, your outrage at the costs is without merit.

Of course, the same lame argument can be used to prevent any additional tax increases............the wealthy will just avoid it or cut back or any other nonsense...........it never does happen. They just pay the tab.

Naturally, you don't have to provide the numbers...........because you cannot.

The RW Conservative is probably a bit misplaced............I was simply enjoying the comparison with "RW".

They won't be taking any more of your money for this health care bill as best as I can understand it. Therefore, your outrage is a bit misplaced.

US Doctors Giving Up "Private Practice"

Traditionally, American medicine has been largely a cottage industry. Most doctors cared for patients in small, privately owned clinics — sometimes in rooms adjoining their homes.

But an increasing share of young physicians, burdened by medical school debts and seeking regular hours, are deciding against opening private practices. Instead, they are accepting salaries at hospitals and health systems. And a growing number of older doctors — facing rising costs and fearing they will not be able to recruit junior partners — are selling their practices and moving into salaried jobs, too.

As recently as 2005, more than two-thirds of medical practices were physician-owned — a share that had been relatively constant for many years, the Medical Group Management Association says. But within three years, that share dropped below 50 percent, and analysts say the slide has continued.

That does concern me, I don't want a doctor with a boss.

The government will be your doctor's boss.

What could possibly go wrong??

Now, bend over please .....

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2008 ML320 CDI Highway Cruiser
2006 Toyota Prius, Saving the Planet @ 48 mpg
2000 F-150, Destroying the Planet @ 20 mpg



TRUMP .......... WHITEHOUSE
HILLARY .........JAILHOUSE
BERNIE .......... NUTHOUSE
0BAMA .......... OUTHOUSE

LOL, not my doc. Worst case is that I will end up paying for someone elses insurance, what else is new?

Sez the guy that doesn't want to go to a doctor for tests anyway . . .