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HuskyMan · #1 05-05-2010, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

If he was that unstable, lock him up, throw away the key, weld the door shut. If not, the parents are responsible. Yes, I did stupid things when young. Unfortunately for me, you weren't my father or mother and I had to pay for them. Take the time I busted the neighbor's flood lamp. I was made to somehow get him a replacement. Not enough money? No problem. Dad provided it. Repayment terms applied. WITH INTEREST. No job? That's ok. There are jobs to do around the house. I don't know how many times I had to wax the cars by hand for $3 or dig a hole for the tree and get paid $5. Bit by bit, it got paid WITH INTEREST building up so I can't take too much time. At the end of it, I leaned my lesson.

hate to break it to you, but 95% of all teenagers fall into the category of being mentally unstable. should we lock them all up? or should we attempt to guide them onward and upward towards a higher path? the system leans towards the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" attitude. only problem with that is when they are in Juvy they learn how to do more bad things from other bad kids. then they come out and run the streets practicing what they learned while in lock up.

for the record, I am not saying they should not be disciplined by their parents. on the contrary, if dad whipped out the "board of education" more often, we wouldn't see the kids at the court house.

the system is working.

aklim · #2 05-05-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

hate to break it to you, but 95% of all teenagers fall into the category of being possible mental unstable. should we lock them all up? or should we attempt to guide them onward and upward towards a higher path? the system leans towards the "lock 'em up and throw away the key" attitude. only problem with that is when they are in Juvy they learn how to do more bad things from other bad kids. then they come out and run the streets practicing what they learned while in lock up.

the system is working.

Being brought up in Asia, I see a lot of difference. First off, over there, they don't believe in mindfawks, aka The science of blame. There is a good swat on the ass for misbehavior. Know what is weird? There are no reports of "My kid ate sugar and acts up". As I have said before, I have twisted mindfawks to say what I want them to say even at 10yo so no, I don't believe in them telling me that the kids are mentally unstable. More likely, the kids are ill disciplined. In asia, the kids growing up were subjected to more discipline and were made to be aware that when you do this, that will happen. Their behavior is better. Here, we label them ADD, ADHD, mentally unstable, try to guide them here and there and they misbehave more. Coincidence?

HuskyMan · #3 05-05-2010, 05:06 PM

as I said above, I believe in fatherly discipline. especially for a male child. male children tend to tow the line when father reigns them in. sometimes male children tend to see their mothers as weak and an easy mark. I know I did. but cross the old man, and my tail end was lit up like a bon fire. tended to keep my a** in line.

aklim · #4 05-05-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

as I said above, I believe in fatherly discipline. especially for a male child. male children tend to tow the line when father reigns them in. sometimes male children tend to see their mothers as weak and an easy mark. I know I did. but cross the old man, and my tail end was lit up like a bon fire. tended to keep my a** in line.

Screw up with my mom and she might not have the strength to whip my ass. OTOH, when Dad came home, well...... Don't plan on sitting down for a while. Often I was given 3 choices. Your ass, your palm or Dad's choice. You don't extend out the first 2 and he picks up whatever he finds handy and hits whatever he can. The next day, you might have to find a way to make amends and pay for what you did.

Take my brother for instance. When he was defiant and walked out, Dad, didn't say a word. When his friends couldn't put him up any longer, he had to come home and beg to be let in. Dad didn't budge and asked him to return in a week. We found out that he was living in a crate we put outside the house for that week. Finally, after begging again, and this was after work with the neighbor kids around, Dad let him in. What did I learn from that? If you want to walk, walk but don't expect to come back easily. Hard lesson for the brother? Yes. Consider it an object lesson. Same as when my cousin cussed in front, not at, Grandpa. He was beaten severely. Another object lesson. Be respectful of Grandpa. Pain is an excellent instructor. Sometimes, it even instructs others around.

So in this case, others can see what could happen to them for stupidity. Best thing of a Taser is that it doesn't care what your silly excuses your mindfawk has to say.

chilcutt · #5 05-05-2010, 11:22 PM

I have to agree with Aklim. In Asia, I see kids who are establishing their identity,ie: dressing in their own style. skateboarding,and over-all minding their own business. What I DONT see, is a bunch of teenagers hanging out smoking dope,tearing up property, talking back to elders,behaving like idiots. My wife(Asian) put it into perspective for me...she said that in school, "the teacher smacked kids with a rataan to get their attention..they knew how to teach us"........As for a kid here who disrespects their parents...or grandparents by talking back,they get 1 tight slap. I also do not miss seeing teen-age boys wearing pants hanging down to their knees..or a 12 yr old girl wearing 8 oz. of makeup. very refreshing. As for the dumb-..s kid who ran on the baseball feild...he got what he deserved.

aklim · #6 05-06-2010, 12:46 AM

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As for a kid here who disrespects their parents...or grandparents by talking back,they get 1 tight slap

1 only? Dad must be in a good mood or something. I said "No" defiantly to Dad and knew that was the wrong thing to say but it was too late.

chilcutt · #7 05-06-2010, 12:56 AM

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1 only? Dad must be in a good mood or something. I said "No" defiantly to Dad and knew that was the wrong thing to say but it was too late.

And calling protective services never entered your mind ..why?.... Because you got what you deserved.

HuskyMan · #8 05-06-2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Being brought up in Asia, I see a lot of difference. First off, over there, they don't believe in mindfawks, aka The science of blame. There is a good swat on the ass for misbehavior. Know what is weird? There are no reports of "My kid ate sugar and acts up". As I have said before, I have twisted mindfawks to say what I want them to say even at 10yo so no, I don't believe in them telling me that the kids are mentally unstable. More likely, the kids are ill disciplined. In asia, the kids growing up were subjected to more discipline and were made to be aware that when you do this, that will happen. Their behavior is better. Here, we label them ADD, ADHD, mentally unstable, try to guide them here and there and they misbehave more. Coincidence?

the process is simple. spare the rod, spoil the child. if the parents took care of business with their young, there would be NO need for the "state" to intervene. but, that's the problem nowadays. the parents give little Johnnie and little Susie the keys to a new BMW 760 V12 to drive to school to show off to their friends. next thing, little Johnnie is involved in a street race and somebody dies as a result.

I had to mow yards and save my money to buy my first car. I treated the car with respect because I had to WORK for it. kids today get the keys to a new Jaguar free gratis.

aklim · #9 05-06-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

the process is simple. spare the rod, spoil the child. if the parents took care of business with their young, there would be NO need for the "state" to intervene.

but, that's the problem nowadays. the parents give little Johnnie and little Susie the keys to a new BMW 760 V12 to drive to school to show off to their friends. next thing, little Johnnie is involved in a street race and somebody dies as a result.

I had to mow yards and save my money to buy my first car. I treated the car with respect because I had to WORK for it. kids today get the keys to a new Jaguar free gratis.

There would be less need since nothing is absolute and they have their bad people too.

Ya think? People have too much of an entitlement mentality these days. Not just the rich kids with the BMW you are talking about. It goes all the way from rich to poor.

When you work for it, you don't screw up as much because you know how hard it is to come by. People these days give their kids whatever they can. Like I said, the rich give BMWs the poor give to their limit and some. Don't think that only the rich kids are ill disciplined because of a lack of consequences. That is the mess we are in today.

WVOtoGO · #10 05-06-2010, 09:00 AM

We need to get back to more discipline and realistic action/reaction thinking in the schools as well.

I’m thinking this could be a good time to drop this into the topic. I got this sent to me some time back. It sure holds true for schools around here.

From 2008 to 2010, things certainly didn’t get any better. Worse, actually.

Jack goes quail hunting before school, pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.
1958 – Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack’s shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2008 – School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1958 – Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2008 – Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark. Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Jeffrey won’t be still in class, disrupts other students.
1958 – Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2008 – Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.
1958 – Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2008 – Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse.. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang. State psychologist tells Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy’s mom has affair with psychologist.

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.
1958 – Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.
2008 – Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations. Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Pedro fails high school English.
1958 – Pedro goes to summer school, passes English, goes to college.
2008 – Pedro’s cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action laws suit against state school system and Pedro’s English teacher. English banned from core curriculum. Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.
1958 – Ants die.
2008 – ATF, Homeland Security, FBI called. Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny’s Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1958 – In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.
2008 – Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

t walgamuth · #11 05-06-2010, 09:34 AM

While there is some truth in the above post it is a pretty gross exageration in some of the cases.

I was given corporal punishment as a kid and have spanked pretty much all of my children. But as the years went by we found that we could get the desired results using other means.

We made them set on the brown couch for one minute for each year of age generally.

aklim · #12 05-06-2010, 09:45 AM

1977 or so, I got punished. Now that is a surprise. There are different levels of punishment. Scolding, stand in the corner, do exercises, whapped by teacher, brought to principle's office and scolded, brought to principle's office and be caned, brought up in front of the whole school and be caned and then expulsion. Once expelled, it is much harder to get into a good school. I have gone all the way to caning in the office. Thought I'd best behave before I got any further.

WVOtoGO · #13 05-06-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

While there is some truth in the above post it is a pretty gross exageration in some of the cases.

I was given corporal punishment as a kid and have spanked pretty much all of my children. But as the years went by we found that we could get the desired results using other means.

We made them set on the brown couch for one minute for each year of age generally.

I’ll agree.
It was more of a food for thought thing with some humorous entertainment value thrown in.
But, you must admit there is a lot of truth/fact behind its point.

We've never spanked our kids. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t know who’s boss(es) around here. They’ve learned not to act up, or it’s say goodbye to the horses, computer, flying lessons, etc for awhile.

They know there are consequences and act appropriately.

cmac2012 · #14 05-06-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

While there is some truth in the above post it is a pretty gross exageration in some of the cases.

I was given corporal punishment as a kid and have spanked pretty much all of my children. But as the years went by we found that we could get the desired results using other means.

We made them set on the brown couch for one minute for each year of age generally.

Not the BROWN COUCH!!

dynalow · #15 05-06-2010, 09:41 AM

Policy revision.

Just don't jump in with weed in your pocket.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20100506_Phillies_to_take_bigger_role_in_security_matters.html

"Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey examined video of the arrest and determined that the officer acted within department guidelines, which allow officers to use a Taser on fleeing suspects."