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RichC · #1 05-30-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I have to wonder about this vilification of BP. Shouldn't we wait until we know the facts?

Do you all really think that "keeping your foot on BP's throat" is really helpful? Does that attitude provide more incentive then the $$Million a day BP is losing?

Do you REALLY think Obama has "been on this since day "? If so, it begs the question---"To what effect has Obama been on this since day 1?"
Is it incompetence, or a larger political motivation that has caused the deliberate slowness in federal help on the scene?

Maybe he hates LA, because its a red state

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Can you comprehend that the media and corporations are manipulating you.

Your blaming the president for this.
And letting the companies that did it , off the hook.

Your twisted right wing logic will put the american taxpayer on the hook for cleaning up this mess, and let the responsible parties go free.

How in the world to you come up with these completely twisted ideas ??
Where does your information come from ??
Stop it !!!
You hurt us all with that sort of thinking....

MS Fowler · #2 05-30-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

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Can you comprehend that the media and corporations are manipulating you.

Your blaming the president for this.
And letting the companies that did it , off the hook.

Your twisted right wing logic will put the american taxpayer on the hook for cleaning up this mess, and let the responsible parties go free.

How in the world to you come up with these completely twisted ideas ??
Where does your information come from ??
Stop it !!!
You hurt us all with that sort of thinking....

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

t walgamuth · #3 05-30-2010, 08:56 PM

It will be quite interesting to see how it all shakes out. If BP actually pays all the damages I will be impressed.

davidmash · #4 05-30-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

BP may pay for some of it up front. We the consumer will pay for all of it on the back end. Those responsible both in the government and in the corporation who put graft/profit before safety will never see the inside of a cell or have to pay a dime.

MS Fowler · #5 05-30-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

BP may pay for some of it up front. We the consumer will pay for all of it on the back end. Those responsible both in the government and in the corporation who put graft/profit before safety will never see the inside of a cell or have to pay a dime.

This is where I'd like to see Boards of Directors take charge. It'll probably never happen as the Directors and CEO are too cosy, but it SHOULD happen.

davidmash · #6 05-30-2010, 11:54 PM

How would BOD's help? They are typically filled with fellow CEO's and other fat cats who have little motivation to see the right thing done. Get the share holders involved and that could be interesting. After they are done, the US Gen Attorney can step in.

RichC · #7 05-31-2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

I would disagree about whom it is that is being manipulated.
I am NOT blaming the President for any of this. Neither am I believing that he was really on top of it since day 1.
How is the American taxpayer on the hook? Don't you think BP will be paying?

Does it somehow strengthen your argument to continually label what I post as "right-wing"? I think that is simply your version of the old ad hominum, which we all know means you have no cogent argument.

I don't mind debating, but, frankly, I don't see how your critique moves the argument anywhere.

You make everything political.
Every argument you make I have heard from right wing sources.
There is no argument as to who is responsible.
Unless you think the president bombed the oil rig on purpose.
I am surprised that little right wing idea hasn't reared it little head around here.

MS Fowler · #8 05-31-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

You make everything political.
Every argument you make I have heard from right wing sources.
There is no argument as to who is responsible.
Unless you think the president bombed the oil rig on purpose.
I am surprised that little right wing idea hasn't reared it little head around here.

Unless you simply assume that the oil companies are solely responsible, of course we need to determine responsibility. BP and the drilling company obviously have a large measure of responsibility. But what about federal oversight that did not even anticipate such a problem, nor have a list of possible solutions. Who bears the responsibility for not having the booms and other equipment on hand that were required by federal law? Were Bush's people still running the oversight agencies?

All my argument are political? Of course--that is the purpose of these discussions. How does that make me any different from you? All of your arguments are also political, and come from a left wing/ progressive viewpoint. How are you and me different other than our relative POVs?

RichC · #9 05-31-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Unless you simply assume that the oil companies are solely responsible, of course we need to determine responsibility. BP and the drilling company obviously have a large measure of responsibility. But what about federal oversight that did not even anticipate such a problem, nor have a list of possible solutions. Who bears the responsibility for not having the booms and other equipment on hand that were required by federal law? Were Bush's people still running the oversight agencies?

All my argument are political? Of course--that is the purpose of these discussions. How does that make me any different from you? All of your arguments are also political, and come from a left wing/ progressive viewpoint. How are you and me different other than our relative POVs?

Dude, my post usually come from an human rights perspective.

The fact that you perceive them as liberal is proof you politicize everything.