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Emmerich · #16 06-24-2010, 05:30 PM

A MBA is about the minimum like a HS diploma was in the 1950's. Its an ugly fact of life, but still a fact. Anybody saying skipping college when given the opportunity is "aiming low" for their future.

aklim · #17 06-24-2010, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

A MBA is about the minimum like a HS diploma was in the 1950's. Its an ugly fact of life, but still a fact. Anybody saying skipping college when given the opportunity is "aiming low" for their future.

My grandfather was an accountant. He was just done with his 3rd year in HS. Back there it was 6 yrs grade school and 4 yrs HS. Things change and requirements are now higher. Still, I don't think an MBS is an absolute necessity. Obviously, as more get qualified, the bar is raised to take into account for that.

Crazy_Nate · #18 06-24-2010, 06:31 PM

UMass Amherst has more in fees than tuition...

Ask me how I know...

Hatterasguy · #19 06-24-2010, 08:13 PM

My state school wasn't to bad. Eventualy I should go back and get my MBA.

#20 06-24-2010, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Emmerich

A MBA is about the minimum like a HS diploma was in the 1950's. Its an ugly fact of life, but still a fact. Anybody saying skipping college when given the opportunity is "aiming low" for their future.

I agree that a degree is necessary, but the MBA is no longer as worthwhile as it was about 10 years ago. Too many people have picked up MBAs in recent years so their value is diluted. You are better off with a specific graduate degree.

Pooka · #21 06-24-2010, 09:00 PM

Things are different today, of course, but in the past, like 35 years ago, companies were did not check resumes that close.

There was a fellow at BIG oil that seemed rather young to have the job he did which was a technical expert in hydraulics. He was not an engineer. He ran operational systems.

He did a great job and was moved into management. Today he is a VP with one of the majors.

After I got to know him he admitted that he had dropped out ot high school in the 10th grade, had lied about his age and hired on when he was 16. He plans to retire with fifty years of service since his secrets got out long ago.

Back then if you passed the six months probation period you were on steady.

Rahulio1989300E · #22 06-24-2010, 09:23 PM

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College is highly over-rated unless you are a professional, ie, doctor, lawyer, accountant or dentist. It has become a self-perpetuating enterprise just like secondary education, the war on drugs, war on crime, war on cancer, war on terror, etc. If your parents can afford the tuition, fine, but I don't see the point of going into debt to the tune of $100-200K and then having to work three jobs at Burger King and Home Depot because there are no real jobs anymore. I think the future of many young people today would be better served by learning a trade such as plumbing, HVAC repair, electrician, or auto repair.

Great skills for the impending "Book of Eli" like apocalypse!

suginami · #23 06-24-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig

I agree that a degree is necessary, but the MBA is no longer as worthwhile as it was about 10 years ago. Too many people have picked up MBAs in recent years so their value is diluted. You are better off with a specific graduate degree.

I agree with this 100%.

The last U.S. census results showed that the income advantage in having a masters degree over a bachelor's degree was nil. The only reason to get an MBA is if the job you are trying to do requires it, or if you need the MBA to get a promotion.

R Leo · #24 06-24-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

My state school wasn't to bad. Eventualy I should go back and get my MBA.

Apparently, it wasn't to good either.

aklim · #25 06-25-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

Things are different today, of course, but in the past, like 35 years ago, companies were did not check resumes that close.

Wife took care of an old retired RN. When she started, she only had to deal with 15 drugs or less. Today, wife has to know and be responsible for more than 15 classes of drugs. Each class has it's own unique characteristics and each drug might differ slightly from another of it's class. Knowledge explosion.

Txjake · #26 06-25-2010, 10:26 AM

Strel; I know of what you speak. I considered taking an auto body shop course at the local CC. After the run around and BS I had to go through, I just forgot about it. I think the days of dropping into a CC and taking a course for your own edification is over in most places. They have become institutionalized profit centers......

LUVMBDiesels · #27 06-25-2010, 11:27 AM

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Wife took care of an old retired RN. When she started, she only had to deal with 15 drugs or less. Today, wife has to know and be responsible for more than 15 classes of drugs. Each class has it's own unique characteristics and each drug might differ slightly from another of it's class. Knowledge explosion.

Exactly
in Nursing especially this is the case.
On my wifey's floor there is only one LPN left. All the others are RNs and most have their BSN - She is going to go back to school to get her BSN and MSN next year. Even though she has a BS degree she is going to be limited in her career without the MSN...
Of course the last LPN has 39 years of experience, but the hospital is still going to force her out unless she gets her RN!

In my line of work it is all about specific certifications. I must have 15 certificates around here somewhere...

aklim · #28 06-25-2010, 11:56 AM

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Exactly
in Nursing especially this is the case.
On my wifey's floor there is only one LPN left. All the others are RNs and most have their BSN - She is going to go back to school to get her BSN and MSN next year. Even though she has a BS degree she is going to be limited in her career without the MSN...
Of course the last LPN has 39 years of experience, but the hospital is still going to force her out unless she gets her RN!

In my line of work it is all about specific certifications. I must have 15 certificates around here somewhere...

I'm surprised that there is one LPN. At the hospital where the wife works, they "promote" them to Lead CNA, essentially. If you want a manager position, it is different. People like your wife can be promoted to manager. HOWEVER, 7 yrs later, either she has achieved a Masters or she will be canned. It is that simple. Wife could not be a manager until she made the commitment to be Masters certified. Figured if she was going to do that, she might as well be APNP. Thankfully she did so because they changed the requirement that after 2012, you have to be a DNP instead of MSN. Basically, more fluff classes.

I don't have that many certifications besides my BA in computer science. Just an MCP from Bill Gates and an MCP (Male Chauvinist Pig) from some women.

Also some have said I am certifiable. Wonder if that would count?

strelnik · #29 06-25-2010, 03:38 PM

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Apparently, it wasn't to good either.

Don't criticize him for that. Most younger people can't spell. There is no emphasis on grammar, punctuation and usage in high school, let alone spelling.

Most people don't have a grammar book at home to use for checking usage, either.

I learned a long time ago, as a translator, and as an American living in foreign countries, that if you learn the foreigner's language so well that you make no mistakes in spelling, they give you much more respect than you could ever earn any other way.

But the advent of texting favors economy over correct spelling .

It kills more than that, in the long run.

LUVMBDiesels · #30 06-25-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

I'm surprised that there is one LPN. At the hospital where the wife works, they "promote" them to Lead CNA, essentially. If you want a manager position, it is different. People like your wife can be promoted to manager. HOWEVER, 7 yrs later, either she has achieved a Masters or she will be canned. It is that simple. Wife could not be a manager until she made the commitment to be Masters certified. Figured if she was going to do that, she might as well be APNP. Thankfully she did so because they changed the requirement that after 2012, you have to be a DNP instead of MSN. Basically, more fluff classes.

I don't have that many certifications besides my BA in computer science. Just an MCP from Bill Gates and an MCP (Male Chauvinist Pig) from some women.

Also some have said I am certifiable. Wonder if that would count?

I have been awarded the MCP with oak clusters!
I understand what you are saying about your wife. Mine just became a nurse- she was a marketing babe (MCP again) She LOOOOVES being a nurse but her BS does nothing for her - except make her manager give her extra work to do like "process improvement'
She has decided to get her MSN and to teach as well as stay on a floor.
I hate what her floor does to her. They are constantly short staffed, get the worst pts, and have the oldest equipment in the hospital - all 1980's stuff!
She was covered in blood the other day
from a pt who needed five security guards to restrain
and urine
and etc
That was a day shift. one day of rest and it was night shift time...
CRAZY!

For some reason they do not like LPNs or CNAs. They would rather have an RN do that kind of work!
They give one aid to every two nurses!
I mean COME ON!

back on topic...

My son is going to Pace University for the last two years of his college career - the bill will be around $85000!
I am just thankful he got a full scholarship - woo hoo!

I have my degree in History and I have NEVER EVER used it for anything. I cannot even find it anymore...

All my things say Sun Microsystems, HP, IBM, or BMC