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Old 07-08-2010, 07:52 PM
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Ahh, who needs union representation!

Don't worry your employer has your best interest's at heart;
http://www.suntimes.com/business/2476920,CST-NWS-Labor08.article

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Old 07-08-2010, 07:57 PM
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This is why I refuse to have any employees.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:52 PM
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This is why I refuse to have any employees.
you know mr 1%, this is one issue that i do disagree with you (and peggy sue too, i assume) on, but i won't bother arguing.


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Old 07-08-2010, 09:45 PM
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you know mr 1%, this is one issue that i do disagree with you (and peggy sue too, i assume) on, but i won't bother arguing.
You don't get to disagree on why I wouldn't want employees, but you should feel free to start your own business and encourage your employees to form a union.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:00 PM
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This is why I refuse to have any employees.
Craig, don't kid yourself. You don't have employee's because that's more dogs eating from the same bone your employers throw you. You can call them client's, but if they cut you a check their your employer.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:03 PM
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Craig, don't kid yourself. You don't have employee's because that's more dogs eating from the same bone your employers throw you. You can call them client's, but if they cut you a check their your employer.
Yup, that must be it.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:04 PM
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The hotel closed a department and people got laid off. It was a business decision. Why did they have to bargain?
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:07 PM
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The hotel closed a department and people got laid off. It was a business decision. Why did they have to bargain?
Because they choose to operate a hotel in the wrong state.
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Because they choose to operate a hotel in the wrong state.
They chose to open in a union state then decided not to abide to the collective bargaining agreement and got spanked. Big suprise! Sort of like moving next to an airport and complaining about the planes. You knew what you where getting yourself into too late to change the rules now.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:00 PM
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They chose to open in a union state then decided not to abide to the collective bargaining agreement and got spanked. Big suprise! Sort of like moving next to an airport and complaining about the planes. You knew what you where getting yourself into too late to change the rules now.
I agree that trying to do business in a union state was part of their mistake.
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Unions helped create the most affluent middle class ever known. What nobody realized back in the 60s and 70s though, was that they were only borrowing from the future and building up the biggest pool of entitled pensioners that nobody could afford to maintain. Unions are great for getting your fair share out of the big bad corporations, but they don't really concern themselves with the long term viability of our country, as in competitiveness or reducing costs.

I prefer the law of the jungle. That way you know the true value of what you contribute, and either be motivated to improve yourself, or be happy with where you are. Unions create a make believe playing field where the players only have to do enough to get by, as well as a sense of false entitlement.
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:14 AM
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Unions helped create the most affluent middle class ever known. What nobody realized back in the 60s and 70s though, was that they were only borrowing from the future and building up the biggest pool of entitled pensioners that nobody could afford to maintain. Unions are great for getting your fair share out of the big bad corporations, but they don't really concern themselves with the long term viability of our country, as in competitiveness or reducing costs.

I prefer the law of the jungle. That way you know the true value of what you contribute, and either be motivated to improve yourself, or be happy with where you are. Unions create a make believe playing field where the players only have to do enough to get by, as well as a sense of false entitlement.
Only have to do enough to get by? Could you tell us what union you were/are in of which you have so much experience?
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:23 AM
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Only have to do enough to get by? Could you tell us what union you were/are in of which you have so much experience?
sadly, anecdotal evidence often trumps the facts. i am reminded of bruce willis, who complained about unions inflating film budgets - while he pulled in $20 million per picture.
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Old 07-09-2010, 01:33 AM
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Well guys, I found some facts; take a look at this table and tell me what the long term projection of US union membership looks like:

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Union+Membership:+Overall+(1948-2004)
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Old 07-09-2010, 02:34 AM
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Well guys, I found some facts; take a look at this table and tell me what the long term projection of US union membership looks like:

http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Union+Membership:+Overall+(1948-2004)
A bet you that someone will start arguing saying that this data is not correct
However I do agree with you. One other point perhaps I can bring up is....Detroit....floor cleaner with income of $25.00 an hour....now everybody is wondering why the car industry collapsed
I just finish reading "A Savage Factory" by Robert Dewar....interesting inside account into union culture.

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