I think this is just something to take the stress off of pipeline companies that market blended gasoline.

It works like this....

A tanker pulls up to the loading rack and punches in his order. After grounding the tanker he fills the compartments just like you would fill your tank. The E is added in at the terminal and sloshes around in the tank on the way to the retail gas pump. By the time it gets there it is mixed to a blend of E 10.

Or at least it had better be. If the delivery driver runs a little too much E and winds up with a blend of E 11 or E 12 there can be a serious fine to pay, so some drivers cut the blend to E 8 or so just in case there is a bit of overrun when loading the E.

E 15 is allowed, but there is no law it must be provided like there was with unleaded gas.

This will take a lot of stress off of everyone concerned with retailing gasoline and I don't think there will be a big rush to provide E 15 unless it is a smog area like LA or Houston.

This finding will also allow the EPA to spend less on enforcement of the E 10 rule.

I don't think any pipeline company is going to rush out and build new tanks to put this into effect. I remember when unleaded gas was introduced in the mid 70's. We spent millions upon millions to make this work and so did all the other oil companies. No one wants to do that again.

And... Unleaded gas was a Nixon/Ford thing, so please don't go into any anti-lib rants over something Republicans did 35 years ago.

Wrong again Pooka...a Democratic Congress did it 35 years ago. Nixon/Ford signed off on it...thus the EPA moved forward...

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.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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Nixon created the EPA in 1970, I seem to recall it was in June or July. He was the one that thought this up and it was created by Executive Order. Congress was not involved.

I think this had some weird name like Executive Directive to Redo Number 3, but everybody called it EPA from the beginning. I also seem to remember a lot of different agency were already doing most of what the EPA does now and Nixon just wanted to put them all under one roof.

I was there at the beginning of this and was involved in much of the infrastructure our company had to develop.

It cost a lot to put everything into place, but if you visit a refinery here and one in say, Russia, you would never want to go back to the way it was.

X^99999!

ha...

I too am concerned how my M104 will take this crap

The owner's manual for my new Grand Marquis says what a wonderful thing E85 ethanol is and that the car can run great on it all the time.

So, are all the FoMoCo execs a big bunch of piñatas full of lies?


Can I trade the car in on one that runs on "Stupid"?

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1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

87, 89, 91, E85 or STUPID your choice. brought to you by the "do-gooders". 'cuz we've got to save the corn growers even if it means screwing our cars straight into the ground.

An EO is just that...but in order for ANY EO to live beyond the wildest dreams of the dreamer...the thing has to have teeth and with teeth comes the need to FEED THE BEAST. CONGRESS FEEDS THE BEAST OR STARVES THE BEAST.

As soon as Nixon was history, Congress COULD have dropped the EPA like a hot coal from the Webber, but...it fed the thing...and now, we enjoy CornPorn for our autos...E85 and worse.

THROW THE BUMS OUT AND ROLL THE CLOCK BACK. At least, get rid the subsidies of inefficient technologies and those that back this crap.

I don't remember where I saw the numbers but if I'm remembering it somewhat correctly, wasn't the cost to produce $1.00 worth of ethanol more than $1.75. This doesn't take into account the additional costs of added taxes, transportation, storage, distribution and the retail markup in order to sell the crap?

And the best part of all this?

The people that think this crap up and devise ways to feed it to us under the illusion that they know better than we do what's good for us, are the very same folks that also handle and direct our economy.

We're living in a f***ing Petri-dish and we're thought of as the germs or viruses.

I want to infect the idiots...

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'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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Well, if FoMoCo says it, I guess it must be true. Remember the ignition issue they had? They said it was great till...... And the fact that it helps lower their emissions so they can fit in has nothing to do with it. Sure.

I ran a truck designed to run on E85. Was miserable because the mileage sucked and the power sucked. Soon as we ran that tank low, we couldn't wait to fill up with the real stuff.

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A political solution to a non-existant problem.

I disagree. There is a problem. When my opponent has something to give the voters and I don't, there is a problem. The solution is to give them more. Kinda like I'll see your $20 and raise you $20.

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04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

I don't keep up with the E thing so I don't know what it cost. I do know it cost more than MTBE.

I also know that MTBE is water solvent, so it will not stratify like oil. Once it is blended with gasoline it is in there for good, and if the gasoline is released it will mix in with the groundwater while gasoline will rise to the surface.

By the way... Refined products are never 'leaked' from a pipeline. They are 'released'. I don't know who thought that up, but it is the term everyone in the industry uses.

E will also combine with water which is a good thing when it comes to getting water out of your gas tank.

The thing I don't like about E is the BTU content. I bought some E-85 in Kansas, where they grow a lot of corn, for $1.99 a gallon a few months ago and my mpg dropped by about 15%. It was fun to fill up at that price, but when you look at how many miles you get for your $1.99 you begin to see that it is not that great of a deal.

I have a STRONG inclanation that MONSANTO is the main culprit pulling the strings behind this one.

193!^99999^100!

can you say.. overflow?

Monsanto is the devil.