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Old 11-04-2010, 05:15 PM
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I'm all for LEDs, but I cannot in anyway justify the cost. I expect them to come down in cost soon.

One issue that I do not like it that one discussion of them refered to lamps etc being made with permament LEDs, so when the light does go the lamp etc is trash. Seems wasteful at the expense of saving a few pennies.
I hope this does not come about.
Depends on how many suckers will buy it. At one time, SUVs were the rage. When gas prices hit the roof and then some, they were dumped like yesterday's dog poop. People were buying the econo-mobiles that would save them a few bucks at the pump but would pay more in the long run. So as long as some suckers are willing to pay the premium, why should I lower my prices?

Depends on the price of the lamp, I would say. If the bulk of the costs were in the bulb, the lamp becomes disposable.

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Old 11-04-2010, 05:22 PM
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I put those curly cue light bulbs throughout my house and my electric bill went down $50 a month.
My electric bill only averages 170 / month, thats with several large fish tanks (heaters, pumps, lights (t-8s and t-10 flour), too many computers (6 including one monster energy sucker), gas heat/dryer/cooking, and my workshop which has the compressor etc.
And most of the lights that are used are either dimmed or flourescent.

So I don't see them having any big effect.

I will though use them where ever I can WHEN the existing bulb fails.
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:49 PM
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What's the payback time on a CFL used in a closet?

Not more than 200 years
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Old 11-04-2010, 11:56 PM
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I put those curly cue light bulbs throughout my house and my electric bill went down $50 a month.
thanks clk-man, i had no idea what all those acronyms meant. (actually, i still don't. ) but i have used the curly cues myself, and they seem to last longer.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:06 AM
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I get my LED's from Home Depot....Menards.....Walmart, they are everywhere. And they DO last forever. I've had one in a light here in my office for over 2 years now.....its on probably 8-10 hours a day, its still going strong.

Think about the fact that an LED indicator on your typical alarm clock or computer spends many many years on 24/7 and never goes out. They rarely fail. So far I have LED lighting in about 5 lights in my house, the most often used ones. The rest are all various forms of CFL or fluorescent. Only three incandescent fixtures in the house, and they are on less than an hour a week and are on dimmers, so its not worth it. CFL/LED can be used in about 95% of situations with no detrimental effect.

Buying a good brand name CFL does result in longer life/better quality light.

My power bill only averages in the $65-70 range, and thats with a server, 3 other PC's, network equipment...all on 24/7, electric dryer.....and range.....we're quite efficient. Lighting probably is less than 2% of my power bill at this point.
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Not more than 200 years
But darned close to it.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:25 PM
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My power bill only averages in the $65-70 range, and thats with a server, 3 other PC's, network equipment...all on 24/7, electric dryer.....and range.....we're quite efficient. Lighting probably is less than 2% of my power bill at this point.
Hm, I'm fairly certain the bill for my house's electric, was nearly $450 in the summer..
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:38 PM
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My electric bill only averages 170 / month, thats with several large fish tanks (heaters, pumps, lights (t-8s and t-10 flour), too many computers (6 including one monster energy sucker), gas heat/dryer/cooking, and my workshop which has the compressor etc.
And most of the lights that are used are either dimmed or flourescent.

So I don't see them having any big effect.

I will though use them where ever I can WHEN the existing bulb fails.
Salt water or fresh water fish? the wife use to have both for many years.
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Fresh water, this link is VERY old, but I have the 55 on top, a 75 on the bottom in the wall.
The wall pic with 2 on the bottom was before I updated it to a 75.
Also have a 55 and 2 10's loose in the room.

Several other tanks in storage until I have time again.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:39 PM
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Fresh water, this link is VERY old,
That link is so old, it's invisible!
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Old 11-06-2010, 01:30 AM
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OOPs forgot to put the link in


http://www.knudsons.com/FishTanks.htm
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Old 11-06-2010, 04:06 AM
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Buy all your CFL's from HD

Their house brand has "Nine Year Guarantee" on the package.
Anytime one of my CFLs burns out ,I show them the package and walk
out with a New Free replacement bulb.

They're on their THIRD Chinese manufacturer.

And the CFL Bulbs are made especially for Home Depot.
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:17 AM
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Hm, I'm fairly certain the bill for my house's electric, was nearly $450 in the summer..
Time for a smaller house? Are you cooling a stadium?

Or maybe that 1955 AirCon Unit set to 55F is a bit extreme.

This summer I used a 12k and 5.5k btu window unit quite a lot, and my highest bill was about $90
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:44 AM
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house was built in 81, expanded in 04, somewhere around 4k sqft w/o finished basement..

dual Lennox furnace/aircon units installed 04

august-september bill year: 4688Kwh, 440.80
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Old 11-07-2010, 12:20 PM
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I am steadily transitioning to CFL's. Haven't bought an incandescent in about two years. But I don't replace incandescents until they fail.



I've had several (at least 4 out of maybe 20) CFL's fail within 18 months even though the ratings say they'll last 8 - 11 years. Anyone else seeing this?

I was in Lowes yesterday and saw the LED's. They run upwards of $20 each. I'm not ready to shell that out until more data on their longevity is available.
cfl's fail in huge amounts- I've had closer to 7 out of 20. No return on investment at that rate versus original price and running costs.

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