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Old 04-01-2011, 08:16 PM
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Thumbs down Stupid Cager AND a Dumb Cyclist

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Stupidity occurs on both two and four wheels. I managed to see both in the space of about an hour.

I was riding my bike to the gym this afternoon. There's no bike lane, but the road is pretty wide and I was toward the right margin, speed limit 25 with me doing 15-20. I approached an intersection controlled by a traffic light and there's a guy trying to make a right on red into my lane. As he was already nosed several feet into the lane and was inching forward, I figured he didn't see me. I was right. I moved to the left and slowed slightly, figuring I would have to avoid. I was right. As my front wheel was almost into the intersection, he pulls halfway out into the lane, then finally sees me and slams on his brakes. I continued past him and back over to the right side of the lane. He passed me some time later.

About an hour later, I took a different route home after concluding my workout. I was proceeding in the bike lane along a road with a 35 mph speed limit and bike lanes going both directions. Then I saw a guy on a bicycle (with no PPE of course) riding ON THE SIDEWALK while TALKING ON A CELL PHONE. I gave him a dirty look, but he just waved obliviously.

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Edit: And don't get me started on the old guy who flew by so close he missed my right handlebar by about two inches, then saw the radar speed sign and slammed on his brakes. BTW, this was a 25 zone and I was doing 23. Why do people feel like they HAVE to pass a bike?
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:34 PM
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Who drives a car at 23 in a 25?

That's why they have to pass you. But they should do it safely, and you should do everything in your power to help that happen.

And if not, whip out the multi-tool out of your jersey pocket and put a nice scratch down the side of the car.
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Old 04-01-2011, 08:39 PM
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Friend of mine got hit on his bike by a car making a right turn. His bike went under the left front wheel and he ended up under the car. He was just bruised. Bike was totaled.
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Old 04-01-2011, 11:39 PM
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Totaled bike beats a totaled self.

Both the motorists in my rant were driving Toyotas. I wonder if there is any significance to that-appliance cars and bad/inattentive driving.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:16 PM
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Totaled bike beats a totaled self.

Both the motorists in my rant were driving Toyotas. I wonder if there is any significance to that-appliance cars and bad/inattentive driving.

No there isn't.

With Toyota being the number 1 car maker, it is safe to assume that there are more idiots driving Toyotas because of the sheer number on the road then there are to other cars.

And I ride my bike on the sidewalk sometimes. Beats getting hit by car any day.

In the case of bicycles, it is called a dead right. You may have had the right of way, but if you get hit you're dead. Aklim highlights this point very clearly.

I had to remind a friend of mine that he can't run intersections on a bicycle when he got hit by a car because it is considered a vehicle. He wanted the driver of the vehicle to pay for a new bike after he ran the intersection! He was bruised, but thankfully the cops agreed with the driver.

I'd like to see cops ticket more bicyclists. People on bikes need to realize that they are not in a 2000lbs moving death box and need to act according. Bike defensively and maneuver around dangerous intersections and areas.
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Old 04-04-2011, 03:30 PM
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In the case of bicycles, it is called a dead right. You may have had the right of way, but if you get hit you're dead. Aklim highlights this point very clearly.
I don't think he had the right of way. The car was in front of you as he approached the intersection and he pulled up alongside on the right.

Is that right Skippy?
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Old 04-04-2011, 03:49 PM
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Wow guys...Can't we all just get along?

I am of the opinion drivers should sit in a glass bubble, right out in front of any type of vehicle. I reckon accident numbers would then drop a lot.

Trouble is, drivers don't see themselves a vulnerable when piloting a Hummer or other large bolide.

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Old 04-02-2011, 06:30 AM
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Why do people feel like they HAVE to pass a bike?
I used to ride a bicycle until I moved to a new area and the crazy car drivers made the riding too stressful. As I drive, I would rather pass a cyclist and have him/her behind me than take the risk of the cyclist falling/swerving in front of my car (flat tire, pothole, foot slip off the pedal, etc).
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:50 AM
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@skippy You should take the lane. When coming to an intersection you should move to the middle of the lane and allow cars to right turn behind you.

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Who drives a car at 23 in a 25?
Me.

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I used to ride a bicycle until I moved to a new area and the crazy car drivers made the riding too stressful. As I drive, I would rather pass a cyclist and have him/her behind me than take the risk of the cyclist falling/swerving in front of my car (flat tire, pothole, foot slip off the pedal, etc).
When you're following a bicycle you should be following at a safe distance anyway so you have time to stop. Just like when you're following a car.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:26 AM
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People just don't see bikes.

Hell they don't even see motorcycles!

And the phone talkers don't see much of anything!
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As Clarkson said I don't mind if people want to play with there Victorian distractions, just as long as they stay out of the way of the cars.
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Old 04-02-2011, 10:46 AM
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As Clarkson said I don't mind if people want to play with there Victorian distractions, just as long as they stay out of the way of the cars.
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cager . . . I thought this thread was about basketball . . .
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:24 PM
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Then I saw a guy on a bicycle (with no PPE of course) riding ON THE SIDEWALK while TALKING ON A CELL PHONE. I gave him a dirty look, but he just waved obliviously.
Two questions -

1 - Is it illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk in that area?

2 - Is it illegal to ride a bicycle without PPE in that area?

If the answer to both questions is "No", then with all due respect, it's none of your beeswax and not worth getting worked up about.

At that, if he's stupid enough to be talking on a cell phone while operating ANY type of vehicle (I do agree with your ire on that one), I'd rather have him do it while riding a bicycle on the sidewalk than behind the wheel of a car on the interstate.

Above situation, odds are he's only going to get himself injured if something happens. Let him have his chance at a Darwin Award.

But I do agree, the vast majority of motorists are brain dead when it comes to dealing with, much less even noticing, motorcyclists and bicyclists sharing the road with them. That's why I gave up riding a motorcycle in my earlier days, after only a few years - just wasn't worth the stress and danger of dealing with the other idiots on the road.
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Old 04-02-2011, 02:43 PM
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Two questions -

1 - Is it illegal to ride a bicycle on the sidewalk in that area?

2 - Is it illegal to ride a bicycle without PPE in that area?

If the answer to both questions is "No", then with all due respect, it's none of your beeswax and not worth getting worked up about.
In answer to #1, it's somewhat unclear.

NRS 405.250 "3. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 484B.767, a person who willfully and intentionally rides or drives, or causes to be ridden or driven, any animal, vehicle or other thing over or upon such a sidewalk, without permission of the owner or occupant, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $20, in addition to the costs of prosecution."

This would sound like "illegal", but a search of the Carson City Municipal Code gave me 10.26.300, which states "1. The sheriff is authorized to erect signs on any sidewalk, street, or highway prohibiting the riding of bicycles, skateboards, roller skates, in-line skates, or similar devices thereon by any person. When such signs are in place it is unlawful for any person to disobey the same.

2. Whenever any person is riding a bicycle, skateboard, roller skates, in-line skates, or similar devices upon a sidewalk, street or highway, such person shall yield the right-of-way to any pedestrian and shall give an audible signal before overtaking and passing any such pedestrian."

As there aren't any signs up in that area prohibiting riding of a bicycle on a sidewalk, I think it may be legal.

As for #2. After much searching of NRS and municipal code, I can't find a requirement to wear a helmet while riding a bicycle. I thought we had one


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At that, if he's stupid enough to be talking on a cell phone while operating ANY type of vehicle (I do agree with your ire on that one), I'd rather have him do it while riding a bicycle on the sidewalk than behind the wheel of a car on the interstate.

Above situation, odds are he's only going to get himself injured if something happens. Let him have his chance at a Darwin Award.
True. The danger to others is much less than if he did that while driving a car, and I see people doing that disturbingly often.

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But I do agree, the vast majority of motorists are brain dead when it comes to dealing with, much less even noticing, motorcyclists and bicyclists sharing the road with them. That's why I gave up riding a motorcycle in my earlier days, after only a few years - just wasn't worth the stress and danger of dealing with the other idiots on the road.
I'm actually signed up to take the MSF course next month. I'm thinking the situation dealing with cars from a motorcycle will be better than dealing with cars from a bicycle. It makes noise, so there's more chance of being noticed, it can go the same speed as the cars, and I don't think there's as much hatred of motorcyclists as there seems to be for bicycle users.
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