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Old 04-23-2011, 01:05 PM
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Seriously, how many on this forum, alone, get a government check each month? Do you, also, have outside income? Do you even report it?

How about the rest of us? Do we report EVERY PENNY as required?

Why don't we shut down all the "entitlement spending" that's been stacking on top of the regular, "required" spending that the government has to do?

BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATORS DON'T WANT TO UPSET THE APPLE CART.

AND, when you have 45% (purportedly) of the Americans EXPECTING some free handout from the government...well...the odds of getting that changed, or reduced, are getting VERY NARROW.

Doesn't look like America is going to make to 2050, let alone 2025.

Now, when the HC Debacle kicks in, in a few years here, wellllllll.....everyone will be sucking "hind tit" and like I said, 2025 will be just a number on the new country's calendar.

Unless Congress gets serious, FAST, we're done for. The Chinese won't be able to get 10˘ on the $1.00 for America's debt and it will be even less for anyone else.

So, WGAS if the rich are getting richer? Their money will be about as useful as a wet Sears & Roebucks in an outhouse. Just like ours. Only the pile will be higher and wetter.

So, if you're really serious about getting the money situation straightened out, quit reading about Ann Rynd or Karl Marx or any other happy horsechit philosophies out there and get real with the country's checkbook. Quit writing blank checks to every lazy-ass Tom, Dick and Houdini out there and pay what needs to be paid, cancel EVERY FRICKIN' PROGRAM PUT INTO PLAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS and get the hell out of any war that's not in our interest...if we have nothing to gain from it, 'F' it. And if the bleeding is still there, go back another, and another, and another year 'til the flow is stopped...then one more year for good measure.

And quit blamin' anyone. It wastes time, it's childish, it isn't solving any problems and it just goes to prove that the fingerpointer is nothing more than a bit of the problem themselves. Wrap that finger around a shovel AND START SHOVELING.

And to top that all off...STFU. We've heard it over and over and over....

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Old 04-23-2011, 02:16 PM
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Seriously, how many on this forum, alone, get a government check each month? Do you, also, have outside income? Do you even report it?

How about the rest of us? Do we report EVERY PENNY as required?

Why don't we shut down all the "entitlement spending" that's been stacking on top of the regular, "required" spending that the government has to do?

BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATORS DON'T WANT TO UPSET THE APPLE CART.

AND, when you have 45% (purportedly) of the Americans EXPECTING some free handout from the government...well...the odds of getting that changed, or reduced, are getting VERY NARROW.

Doesn't look like America is going to make to 2050, let alone 2025.

Now, when the HC Debacle kicks in, in a few years here, wellllllll.....everyone will be sucking "hind tit" and like I said, 2025 will be just a number on the new country's calendar.

Unless Congress gets serious, FAST, we're done for. The Chinese won't be able to get 10˘ on the $1.00 for America's debt and it will be even less for anyone else.

So, WGAS if the rich are getting richer? Their money will be about as useful as a wet Sears & Roebucks in an outhouse. Just like ours. Only the pile will be higher and wetter.

So, if you're really serious about getting the money situation straightened out, quit reading about Ann Rynd or Karl Marx or any other happy horsechit philosophies out there and get real with the country's checkbook. Quit writing blank checks to every lazy-ass Tom, Dick and Houdini out there and pay what needs to be paid, cancel EVERY FRICKIN' PROGRAM PUT INTO PLAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS and get the hell out of any war that's not in our interest...if we have nothing to gain from it, 'F' it. And if the bleeding is still there, go back another, and another, and another year 'til the flow is stopped...then one more year for good measure.

And quit blamin' anyone. It wastes time, it's childish, it isn't solving any problems and it just goes to prove that the fingerpointer is nothing more than a bit of the problem themselves. Wrap that finger around a shovel AND START SHOVELING.

And to top that all off...STFU. We've heard it over and over and over....
This was one of the most entertaining posts I've read on here in a long time! For some reason I read it in Larry David's voice...
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Old 04-23-2011, 02:42 PM
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Seriously, how many on this forum, alone, get a government check each month? Do you, also, have outside income? Do you even report it?

How about the rest of us? Do we report EVERY PENNY as required?

Why don't we shut down all the "entitlement spending" that's been stacking on top of the regular, "required" spending that the government has to do?

BECAUSE OUR LEGISLATORS DON'T WANT TO UPSET THE APPLE CART.

AND, when you have 45% (purportedly) of the Americans EXPECTING some free handout from the government...well...the odds of getting that changed, or reduced, are getting VERY NARROW.

Doesn't look like America is going to make to 2050, let alone 2025.

Now, when the HC Debacle kicks in, in a few years here, wellllllll.....everyone will be sucking "hind tit" and like I said, 2025 will be just a number on the new country's calendar.

Unless Congress gets serious, FAST, we're done for. The Chinese won't be able to get 10˘ on the $1.00 for America's debt and it will be even less for anyone else.

So, WGAS if the rich are getting richer? Their money will be about as useful as a wet Sears & Roebucks in an outhouse. Just like ours. Only the pile will be higher and wetter.

So, if you're really serious about getting the money situation straightened out, quit reading about Ann Rynd or Karl Marx or any other happy horsechit philosophies out there and get real with the country's checkbook. Quit writing blank checks to every lazy-ass Tom, Dick and Houdini out there and pay what needs to be paid, cancel EVERY FRICKIN' PROGRAM PUT INTO PLAY FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS and get the hell out of any war that's not in our interest...if we have nothing to gain from it, 'F' it. And if the bleeding is still there, go back another, and another, and another year 'til the flow is stopped...then one more year for good measure.

And quit blamin' anyone. It wastes time, it's childish, it isn't solving any problems and it just goes to prove that the fingerpointer is nothing more than a bit of the problem themselves. Wrap that finger around a shovel AND START SHOVELING.

And to top that all off...STFU. We've heard it over and over and over....
Was the military industrial complexes corporate welfare checks on your list to be cut. Like cancelling the JSF program for one. How about agribusiness subsidies. How about cutting tax loopholes for the wealthy and corporations. Bet not.
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Old 04-23-2011, 03:08 PM
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In the final anyalisis all the individual can really do is row their own boat. Expecting external conditions to help out or change would be nice but not very likely.

There is nothing really in sight to expect any changes from government growth as it empowers them more and more. Power tends to like more power.

The issue with it has always been the same. No assuming responsibility as a real component of additional power. The rational if any does not really matter it just is what it is.

The cycle has existed so long now that there is no end in sight. A change would seem so radical as to almost mitigate it's possibility.
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Old 04-23-2011, 05:34 PM
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This was one of the most entertaining posts I've read on here in a long time! For some reason I read it in Larry David's voice...
The perfect voice for a paranoid rant.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:25 PM
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Was the military industrial complexes corporate welfare checks on your list to be cut. Like cancelling the JSF program for one. How about agribusiness subsidies. How about cutting tax loopholes for the wealthy and corporations. Bet not.
Not taking sides, not placing a precedence over another...just start from the Last Program In, First Program Out...then 2nd, 3rd and so forth.

Somewhere, the equalibrium has to kick in.

If it doesn't, keep cutting.

We're sinking and no one is noticing that their feet are under water and their pants are wet.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:33 PM
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The perfect voice for a paranoid rant.
I love a "simplistic analysis." It goes to show how shallow the respondent can truly is. Instead of a humorous response or an analytical observation, a catch-phrase is usually the respondant's choice when the argument has been seen to have been won by the person that is suppose to be stung by the "biting comment(s)."

Thanks for the affirmation!
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:37 PM
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I love a "simplistic analysis." It goes to show how shallow the respondent can truly is. Instead of a humorous response or analytical observation, a catch-phrase is usually the respondant's choice when the argument has been seen to have been won by the person that is suppose to be stung by the "biting comment(s)."

Thanks for the affirmation!
Actually, I didn't bother reading most of it; I've heard it all before and I'm still not going to get excited about every economic blip that comes along. I just thought the Larry David reference was funny.
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:52 PM
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This was one of the most entertaining posts I've read on here in a long time! For some reason I read it in Larry David's voice...
"Thou watcheth too much television."

BTW...my station runs that tripe...after midnight...and if we should go off the air, I'm not going to be in too much of a rush to hurry up and get it back on.

That show (Curb Your Enthusiasm) along with Entourage are about as narcissistic as a pair of shows can be and for some reason unknown to anyone, they're both still on the air.

And people are paying money to air them...

I'm sorry to see that you have some sort of knowledge about them, let alone the characters' actual names and related minutia.

Sort of like that Garry Shandling show...The Larry Sanders Show - only it's available on real TV stations...not on HBO, exclusively.
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thanks for adding so much to the discussion.
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Old 04-24-2011, 02:21 AM
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Here is a refresher to this mindless discussion:

George Carlin - The American Dream

... it's a big club and you ain't in it.
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Too say that the super-rich are to blame for societal ills implies some standard of "fairness".
The statistics have already been posted which show that even if were confiscated all the wealth of the 10 several%, it still would not balance the over-spending by our government. We would end up driving the rest of wealth out of the country and probably put ourselves in a real depression.
Love them or nor, the super-rich are important to the economy.

It seems like there is an orchestrated program to hate the super-rich. I don't get it. Why so much wealth-envy?
Some of the very rich provide great benefit. Some are shysters IMO. What did Milkin and Boesky do to merit that kind of money? What about the people who got uber rich before the crash came down in '08? Did they come back with bushels of money to help restore the nation?

Lust for wealth for its own sake leads to some weird shyte, Madoff being at the top end of the scale.
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Old 04-24-2011, 05:01 AM
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230 foot? Pish. Hardly "super."

How about Roman Abramovich's 557 footer?

I did not know they made penises that small.
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Old 04-24-2011, 08:43 AM
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Too say that the super-rich are to blame for societal ills implies some standard of "fairness".
I'm not sure what you have against fairness, but that is only part of it anyway. One problem with current tax rates is that they exacerbate our already unbalanced distribution of wealth. It isn't healthy to have so much wealth concentrated in so few.
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The statistics have already been posted which show that even if were confiscated all the wealth of the 10 several%, it still would not balance the over-spending by our government. We would end up driving the rest of wealth out of the country and probably put ourselves in a real depression.
Right. We got that. The part I am having a hard time following is how raising the top marginal rate from 35% to 39.6% bears any relation to confiscating all the wealth of the super-rich. http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=18106
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...It seems like there is an orchestrated program to hate the super-rich. I don't get it. Why so much wealth-envy?
Got any evidence of that orchestration?
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:06 AM
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It seems pretty clear that if we are to reduce the deficit, in addition to cutting expenses we will have to raise more revinue. Allowing the Bush tax cut to expire seems like an inevitable thing that needs to happen.

The 39% tax rate during the clinton administration did not seem to derail the economy too much.

Allowing the tax break to continue while cutting medicade and social security will send a very discouraging signal to all lower and middle class folks.

If the divergence between the very rich and the rest of us coninues the results will not be good for our country.

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