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Remember we had had a fairly pleasant, non-adversarial give-and-take about education -

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which instead became an indictment of ??? - I guess I'm not sure but I've got something to do with it.

Please note the bit at the end where suggesting earlier education methods is related to an increase in VD.

Pretty amazing how much people reveal about themselves as they seethe irrational hate.

Of course the thread had been about children learning their three R's...

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The main issue with education is that children are failing because parents put far too little effort in their children's education. If parents make it important, they failing would largely go away. I see it everyday in my son's schools, and my wife is a teacher.

The number one issue with parents is a two parent home, which blacks and hispanics largely do not have. A major issue here is the culture of thinking which stops them from believing they need to succeed and will get support from the government instead.

insulting?

no. he thinks he is a clever propagandist. i am just pointing out the nature of his beliefs. how could that be "insulting", if it's the truth? it might be embarrassing to him to be revealed for what he is, but is it my fault if he is a - none too subtle - unrepentant ideologue?

Irellivent.

- Peter.

He said nothing about christ or religion in the majority of posts, yet you bring it up out of the blue time and time again without cause.

I awoke early, body's still transiting from bed-ridden to being upright. At 5:43 AM I posted my first post. I have put up a total of 21. That's easy to verify.

I started no threads or discussions on my faith. At 10:42 AM I replied to elcivito's attempt to use Christ's Sermon on the Mount to further his agenda.

And at 12:12 PM I responded to spdrun's statement that if I was a better Christian I would have his values.

That's the totality of my comments about Jesus in the public forum today. Never initiated it, never promoted it, etc.

BTW - It's easy to see if I'm telling the truth. Take a look.

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McGuffey is remembered as a conservative theological teacher. He interpreted the goals of public schooling in terms of moral and spiritual education, and attempted to give schools a curriculum that would instill Presbyterian Calvinist beliefs and manners in their students. While these goals were considered suitable for the relatively homogeneous America of the early-to-mid-19th century, they were less so for the increasingly pluralistic society that developed in the late 19th century and early 20th century.



do i need to draw you a picture?

what's next? "intelligent design" (sic)

Two poems, I believe by Milton. I think there may be a spelling error.

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X2- must have had a bad experience as an altar boy or something?

must be feeling threatened, and therefore must attack the messenger, instead of dealing with the message? (jesus is very proud of you.)

I doubt Jesus is proud of me since I am an Atheist, so what is your reason for trying to ridicule everything SJH says based on the fact that he is a Christian? I know very little about religion, but I know enough about psychology to gather that Christianity did something to you that was very damaging, so your hatred of it is understandable. Care to share what happened? It could be helpful in you coming to terms with your experience(s).

Your first two derogatory posts in this thread alone were before any mention of McGuffey, or religion.
What message are you trying to get across- and to whom is it directed towards?

BTW I could care less about organized religion- I believe it is a overall detriment to human society and normally fight it's unstated goal to spread it's sphere of influence.

So again- why are you being such a troll about this toward him?

Being a member of the boomers, who supposedly had very good scores on college prep tests, I can say this:
1. My kids used to bring homework home that seemed to me as if they were doing things in junior high that I did in high school.

2. There is a lot of talk about dumbing down shools these days, which I find a lot of silly talk. see #1.

3. I went to an excellent small town school, Greencastle, which contained all the children of professors from DePauw university, most of whom were very very bright and very very focused on education.

4. I went to Ball State University to the Architecture school which is generally regarded as one of the top Architecture schools in the country.

5. My wife is a fourth grade teacher in Lafayette School Corporation.

6. I served for four years on the LSC school board.

7. Public education is currently under attack from the political and religeous right. At the moment, at least here in Indiana, the right is winning.

Why is public education under attack from the right?

Here are my opinons:
a. People on the right generally want to favor the people who already have money and power.
b. Public education is by far the most expensive item on our domestic budget.
c. The right wants to eleminate all unions, even though the teachers union is a pretty weak entity here in Indiana at least.

Personally? I came from a working class family who valued education. I have seven siblings. Without the pell grants and college loans I probably would have missed out on college.

I think public education is the backbone of our culture.

I think having the working class be financially successful enough to be middle class is what made our economy the envy of the world.

Are Unions inherintly good? Not necessarily. Are they inherintly bad? Certainly not. Unions provide protection to workers where it is needed. The law currently allows Unions to be formed whenever the workers at a place vote it to be so. That seems fair to me.

If a Union is not needed, great.

Education is expensive but it needs to be viewed as an investment not an expense.

I have had an excellent life which is based on the readily available public education that was present when I needed it. I am in favor of making these opportunities available to all children regardless of their race, ethnicity or financial background.

Our country has been doing that.

We should continue to do it.

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It starts out that I say education has deteriorated.

I'm told, talks cheap, prove it.

I say, how about letters from 1865 or textbooks from 1900.

Someone say show us.

I Google 6th grade english primer 1900 & then put up the first one I find.

Now it turns out I'm really trying to engage in subterfuge and bring Jesus/God/Protestantism in 'through the backdoor.'

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I'm still waiting for the explanation of how all of this causes VD.

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I went to public school in Asia so it wasn't some elite school. 6 yrs Primary school, 4 years Secondary school and 2 years Junior College before college so it is pretty similar. In my 3rd year of Secondary school or High School, I was doing Calc and Physics and Chemistry. When I came here, I was doing the college level Calc and Physics and Chemistry that was at the very most, a little more than what I used to do and I was no scholar.