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View Poll Results: Who will do the best in this economy?
People who have a college education 6 31.58%
People with a trade that works with their hands 13 68.42%
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I based this thread on my own experience. The people that I went to school with that went on to college seemed to be working jobs like Walmart and such. While people that I went to Vocational school seem to be doing really good. Some have their own business like myself.
What is your business?? I want to own a Mercedes-Benz dealership here in Fairbanks. Right now we only have a service center, because the dealer went out of business due to lack of customer service. That will be my main focus, customer service.

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I figured that out 22 years ago when I started my Business. The problem that I had was that I figured out that the workers I hired should make as much money as I did. That was a mistake in part, I was taken advantage of by some but not all of them. And 22 years later, I do ALL of the work myself.
So what are you saying? You pay yourself $10/hr and get $50/hr worth of work out of yourself?

You dirty mean exploiter of labor.
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So what are you saying? You pay yourself $10/hr and get $50/hr worth of work out of yourself?

You dirty mean exploiter of labor.
I am saying that I work to provide for my Wife and Myself.
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What is your business?? I want to own a Mercedes-Benz dealership here in Fairbanks. Right now we only have a service center, because the dealer went out of business due to lack of customer service. That will be my main focus, customer service.
I have a Printing and Sign shop and have been in business 22 years.
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What do you guys/gals think?
I know people of both persuasions who are employed AND unemployed.

It seems to me that what really makes the difference is how people approach their job environment.

I have very skilled friends that I know have pissed off job interviewers-- because they could.

On the other hand, there are very skilled people that don't know how to interview, or they have ISSUES. And they interview their way out of a job.

In the Army, I have hjelped certain people get civilian jobs because I knew they would be successful, they just needed an opening. On the other hand, I know others who talk themselves out of a job regularly, even when they already have it.

Whne my son gets out of college, he will have a hard time getting a job because he has skills but expects the employer to dance to his tune.

Since I'm not subsidizing him beyond food and possibly a room, I want him to see what he has lost by making disadvantageous choices that didn't take the future into account.
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Looks like average salaries are heading down, and college grads are gonna have a tougher time paying off those loans. My oldest didn't finish school but now has a $40K restaurant job. He's doing better than many of his classmates who did finished college. I think the importance of a college degree will be diminished in the future, unless that degree is for succinct purpose and goal.
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So what are you saying? You pay yourself $10/hr and get $50/hr worth of work out of yourself?

You dirty mean exploiter of labor.
Guilty as charged my good Sir.
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Exclamation The coming collapse may change things.

With the billions and billions of rising mere INTEREST on the national debt, not to mention the principal and all the wasted money on wars and huge uncesaary and utterly wasteful government spending, the end can be prolonged by the Government printing more money, but it has not been backeded by Gold anymore for years and years;

Pretty soon as the goverment prints MORE and more dollars, eventually their value will go down, first abroad when other nations refuse to accept it as preferred currency.

When they Americans themselves finally "get it" and lose faith in its value, then the end will come fairly quickly.

First there will be bank runs, at first not bad because stocks of cash can be propped up by daily merchant receipts. But that won't take long to see it happen that they get swamped.

Then people will start storming Walmart and buy anything they CAN just to get RID of their increasingly worthless dollars.

THINGS not cash is what they will want. Clothes, batteries, canned food anything that is tangible and can be used consumed or bartered.
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Currency will be PRECIOUS METALS. Gold will go to $5500 an ounce.
And pre-1965 US silver coins. And antique real silver and gold coins...


A MacDonalds hamburger will cost $50- $100 in US dollars. ANd rise to $300 in weeks or even days from that price in USD.

And the cost the gasoline will go sky high and the trucks will no longer be able to bring goods.

Food will be scarce. So will water. The power grids will go down.

Riots and Looting will start.

Anarchy will prevail ...



As personally distasteful as I will find it the FIRST thing I will buy is WEAPONS.

I am thinking AR15's, M4s, M1A's, AR10's, L1a1S, AND HKs.

And ammunition.


"Weapons compound man's power to achieve. they amplify the capabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly the same degree, having no will of their own. Tthus we must regard them as servants, not masters ---and good srvants to good men. Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are lessened. An unarmed an can only flee fro evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."

~~~Col. Jeff Cooper


Remember what happened with the Continental currency in 1796; and the German mark in 1923.

"Wir versaufen unser Oma ihr klein Hauschen,Ihr klein Hauschen, irh klien Hauschen.
Wir versaufen unser Oma ihr klein Hauschen,
Und die erste und die zweite Hypothek!"

~~~Popular drinking song in the Weimar Republic of Gernany in 1922, referring to the runaway inflation of the period.

^^^^^ Loosely translated: "We are drinking up our granny's little house; Her little house, her little house. We are drinking up our granny's little house, and the first and second mortgage!"










I know what I will probably have to get Proficient in distance shooting too.


A HUGE Charlie Foxtrot is on the near horizon.
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With the billions and billions of rising mere INTEREST on the national debt, not to mention the principal and all the wasted money on wars and huge uncesaary and utterly wasteful government spending, the end can be prolonged by the Government printing more money, but it has not been backeded by Gold anymore for years and years;

Pretty soon as the goverment prints MORE and more dollars, eventually their value will go down, first abroad when other nations refuse to accept it as preferred currency.

When they Americans themselves finally "get it" and lose faith in its value, then the end will come fairly quickly.

there will be bank runs, at first not bad because stocks of cash can be propped up by daily merchant receipts. But that won't take long to see it happen that they get swamped.

Then people will start storming Walmart and buy anything they CAN just to get RID of increasing worthless dollars.

THINGS not cash is what they will want. Clothes, batteries, canned food anything that is tangile and can be used consumed or bartered.
~~~

Currency will be PRECIOUS METALS. Gold will go to $5500 an ounce.

A MacDonalds hamburger WILL COST $50- $100 in US dollars. ANd rise to $300 in weeks or even days from that price in USD.

the gasoline will go sky high and the trucks will no longer be able to bring goods.

Food will be scarce. So will waater. The power grids will go down.

Riots and Looting will start.

Anarchy will prevail ...



As personally distasteful as Iwill find it the FIRST thing I will buy is WEAPONS.

I am thinking AR15's, M4s, M1A's, AR10's, L1a1S, AND HKs.

And ammunition.


"Weapons compound man'soweer to achieve. they amplify the caabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to e4xactly the same degree, having no will of their own. thus we must regard them as servants, not masters ---and good seervants to good men. Without them, man is diminished, and his opportunities to fulfill his destiny are kessened. An unarmed an can only flee fro e3fvi, and evil is not overdcome by fleeing from it."


Remember what happened wi6th the Continental currency in 1796; and the German mark in 1923.

"Wir versaufen unser Oma ihr klein Hauschen,Ihr klein Hauschen, irh klien Hauschen.
Wir versaufen unser Oma ihr klein Hauscfhen,
Und die erste und die zweite Hypothek!"

~~~Popular drinking song in the Weimar Republic of Gernany in 1922m referring to the runaway infkation of the period.

Loosely translated: "We are drinking up our granny' little house; Her little house, her little house. We are drinking up our grannhy's little house, and the first and second mortgage!"










I know what I will probably have to get Proficient in distance shooting too.


A HUGE Charlie Foxtrot is on the near horizon.
I am kind of glad I have that ruger number 1 with a 6-18 on top of it chamber in 300 win mag. Butter than at&t to reach out and "touch" someone with.
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@CLK those who are not afraid to get their hands dirty.
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@CLK those who are not afraid to get their hands dirty.
My hands are so dirty with ink, I bet I could sign my name with my finger.
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I am saying that I work to provide for my Wife and Myself.
And yer dawg.
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I have a B.A. and an M.D. from prestigious institutions. I'm currently using neither degree and I'm doing just fine by getting my hands dirty.
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Those that as a general rule always tend to perform and are well rounded will probably take whatever in stride. Or at least deal with most potential senarios the best.

If a person works for an employer make yourself knowledgeable enough to be basically indispensible. If people do not approach you on occassion to work for them you are not doing enough or using what smarts you have well enough.

Some form of post secondary degree or trade type education is above the fifty percentage point level in Canada already. As time moves forward this will also increase.

Otherwise earnings for those that do not have some form of post secondary education in general may be too low to exist reasonably as inflation etc. is already taking hold.

We already are experiencing too much wage differential between people in the workforce. Counting on unions etc. for example is almost over. It is almost up to the individual to condition or prepare themselves for tomorrows economy.

I suspect much of the efforts of governments have been aimed at moderating any potential transition to a somewhat different economy. The potential issue with our current economy is it only performs well during periods of reasonable expansion.

A way has to be found to enable it functioning at pretty well zero growth. There will be severe difficulties if it is not found for many in the general population.

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