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Old 04-23-2012, 11:54 AM
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I'm not so sure it wasn't accidental. I give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think Artest knew the guy was there.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:56 AM
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I'm not so sure it wasn't accidental. I give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think Artest knew the guy was there.

Did former 76er Lloyd Free legally change his name to World B. Free? I don't recall.
Watch the replay. Pretty obvious, seeing as Harden is bumping into him, that he had to have known that somebody was there. And the elbow wasn't just moving around, he drove it right through the contact with Hardens head.

With Artest's history, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:22 PM
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Watch the replay. Pretty obvious, seeing as Harden is bumping into him, that he had to have known that somebody was there. And the elbow wasn't just moving around, he drove it right through the contact with Hardens head.

With Artest's history, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
I saw it on tv this morning & care too little about the matter to look again. My opion doesn't matter anyway.


Agreed. Maybe a lifetime ban is in order. His last outburst got him what? 82 games? That's a season.

From the Queens projects via St. John's University to mega-illions in the NBA. Suppose he's back in the projects in 10 years?
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Old 04-23-2012, 01:05 PM
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I saw it on tv this morning & care too little about the matter to look again. My opion doesn't matter anyway.


Agreed. Maybe a lifetime ban is in order. His last outburst got him what? 82 games? That's a season.

From the Queens projects via St. John's University to mega-illions in the NBA. Suppose he's back in the projects in 10 years?
I watched the link... Not only does my opinion not matter either, but my level of give-a-**** is pretty low as well.

Wouldn't doubt you will be correct... rags to riches and back to rags.
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Old 04-23-2012, 02:29 PM
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Nah Swamp. This was basketball.... in the North Station Gaaaden.
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If only I were around to see them. I read about those old guys...
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:20 PM
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Not sure the NBA can do much about a person legally changing their name, not unlike the NFL and Chad Johnson then Ocho Cinco then Johnson again. They can discourage the behavior. He certainly didn't act like someone who inadvertently hit someone with an elbow. As someone who has been on both the giving and receiving end of an inadvertent elbow on the basketball court, the usual reaction is something along the lines of, "You okay? Sorry, man." Not continuing on down court, then looking to pick a fight when confronted about it.

Bottom line is that he can can call himself anything he wants, he's still Ron Artest and has a lot of negative history.
The artist formerly known as Ron Artest got a bit Ron Artesty.
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The artist formerly known as Ron Artest got a bit Ron Artesty.
Ha! I was trying to come up with one of those "You can take the X out of the Y, but you can't take the Y out of the X" but yours works much better.
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Nah Swamp. This was basketball.... in the North Station Gaaaden.
Russell, KC Jones, Tom Sanders, Sam Jones, and John Havlicek.
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When the game was in hand, out came Red's stogie puffin on the sidelines!
Agreed. My first live NBA game was in the Sonics expansion year. I sat courtside in a 2000 seat arena near Olympia, WA and saw Earl Monroe in his rookie year. I had no idea who he was at the time.

My first game in Seattle was against Boston. I was hoping to get a good look at Russell and then I look down and he's walking right past us in the small gap between the stands where the players go in and out.

I saw Lenny Wilkins pick Boston's pockets that day. I loved the guy. Probably one of the smartest guys ever in the NBA.

Somehow the players seemed more solid as people back then. None of that gangsta with entourage stuff back then. And there has yet to be a big man as cool or dominating as Wilt.
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Old 04-23-2012, 03:31 PM
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Ha! I was trying to come up with one of those "You can take the X out of the Y, but you can't take the Y out of the X" but yours works much better.
Well uhhh, unfortunately I heard both parts of that from web sources. But it is good, isn't it?
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Agreed. My first live NBA game was in the Sonics expansion year. I sat courtside in a 2000 seat arena near Olympia, WA and saw Earl Monroe in his rookie year. I had no idea who he was at the time.

My first game in Seattle was against Boston. I was hoping to get a good look at Russell and then I look down and he's walking right past us in the small gap between the stands where the players go in and out.

I saw Lenny Wilkins pick Boston's pockets that day. I loved the guy. Probably one of the smartest guys ever in the NBA.

Somehow the players seemed more solid as people back then. None of that gangsta with entourage stuff back then. And there has yet to be a big man as cool or dominating as Wilt.
You probably already know that Russell and KC Jones were college team-mates at USF back in the day. Russell & Wilt. Classic duels. Wilt came in the league facing Russell & went out battling Kareem. Long, stellar career. Two records not lkely to be broken: 100 pts in a game and season average of 50. pts a game.

Yeah. Lenny Wilkins. Providence College. Great player. Great coach. Good man.Trifecta.

When the NBA players go from being old enough to be your father to young enough to be your grandson, interest naturally fades.
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You probably already know that Russell and KC Jones were college team-mates at USF back in the day. Russell & Wilt. Classic duels. Wilt came in the league facing Russell & went out battling Kareem. Long, stellar career. Two records not lkely to be broken: 100 pts in a game and season average of 50. pts a game.

Yeah. Lenny Wilkins. Providence College. Great player. Great coach. Good man.Trifecta.

When the NBA players go from being old enough to be your father to young enough to be your grandson, interest naturally fades.
Good point. Most people think the stuff in their day was better.

Yeah, the Russell/Chamberlain match-up was something else. I heard Russell say recently that the two of them were religious about playing within the rules, as they respected the level of competition each provided the other. It's too bad Wilt pulled out his '20,000 women' remark cause he was cool in every other way. I've seen pictures of him with one hottie and several others circling, trying to get in on the action. I heard him sheelpishly try to aplogize for that claim on NPR's Fresh Air once, it was endearing.

One game with the Lakers, it was in the playoffs against NY IIRC, Jerry West, with about 2 seconds left and trailing by two, got a defensive rebound and had just enough time to get off a full court shot, sort of a hook/jump shot combo that hit the back of the rim and down. These days, it would have won the game, but it tied it, West was looked dazed-happy and Wilt came over, grabbed him, and rubbed his head vigorously. It was one of the sweetest displays of on court affection I've ever seen, and just cool on cool.

I drove cab in Oakland for a while and have been through West Oakland many times (a rough part of town). I was surprised to learn that nondescript looking McClymonds High School was Russell's alma mater as well as that of Paul Silas and Joe Ellis.

Silas. There's another guy they don't make any more. He was instrumental in the winning record of every team he was on, had a lot to do with the Sonics running up and then winning the championship a year later, both times against the Washington Bullets. The only title by any Seattle team yet.

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