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Old 05-08-2012, 12:03 PM
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...Thus, it does not seem onerous to provide an ID during the period of practicing the right to vote...
I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:06 PM
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I could not find any report about the case in The Woodlands on Rush or Hannity or any other right wing talk show.

I guess they will wait until the sentences are handed down before reporting on the evils of committing Voter Fraud.
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:10 PM
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I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.
I'm not so worried about people with fake ID showing up to vote in someone else's name. What seems more plausible to me, and living in a Sanctuary State-controlled by a single party- makes it most plausible, is the issuing of voter cards to illegals, and instructing them to vote a straight party line ticket.

I want nothing to deter any citizen from voting. I also want only citizens voting.
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Old 05-08-2012, 01:42 PM
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I agree that it does not seem onerous, but apparently it is onerous for a number of people otherwise qualified to vote. I don't know why it is that way, but it is. I would not want to take away their right to vote unless there is some reason to do so, something more than an imaginary fear that people will show up with fake ID's and cast felonious votes. Come back to us with evidence that voter fraud happens, then maybe we can talk about depriving people of their right to vote.
I have no such evidence, other than anecdotal. However, I do not suppose that it does not exist. Nor do I understand why obtaining and using ID would be so difficult or fear inducing for a legal citizen, who on every other day before and after election day, circulates in society as a free citizen.
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Old 05-08-2012, 07:49 PM
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I have no such evidence, other than anecdotal. However, I do not suppose that it does not exist. Nor do I understand why obtaining and using ID would be so difficult or fear inducing for a legal citizen, who on every other day before and after election day, circulates in society as a free citizen.
Here are some non-anecdotal reasons why it's hard to get. Texas is a big state under budget constraints. Some counties are so sparsely populated that it's not cost effective to have a driver's license office in the county so they closed them, so you have to travel to another county. Since you don't have a current driver's license, that means someone has to drive you. That's a round trip for two, on a work day, of a few hundred miles in order to get an ID recognized by the new state law.

You could argue that another form of legal photo ID should suffice, as was done in the TX legislature, but they specifically EXCLUDED student ID's from Texas universities and tribal IDs from Native American tribes (recognized by DHS to board airplanes, though) when they ADDED the Texas Concealed Handgun License as a valid form of ID for voting.

The current law requires you to show your voter card - which is mailed to your home of record - or, if you don't have that, THEN you show a photo ID and the they match you against the rolls.

So people who were registered, had voted in the past, and who have current valid photo IDs valid for nearly every purpose except voting now need to get a new ID.

Or they can simply claim a religious belief in not having your picture taken and vote anyway without a photo ID.

I think it's a great law and a wonderful use of the millions of dollars spent on drafting, defending, advertising the new rules, and disrupting the electoral schedule just to possibly reduce the likelihood of one person voting in place of her dead mother - in which case she probably looked like her mom's photo anyway.

It's not like they could have looked at absentee ballot fraud, or something. Gotta spot impersonation at the polls!
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