Perhaps trust in law enforcement is different from a black kids perspective? I might fell that if I need help I better help my self. What about you?

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Martin broke no known law, was not trespassing.
Zimmerman may or may not have been watching the neighborhood in some official capacity. If he was, he had no authorization to carry a gun in that capacity according to the HOA.
Zimmerman did not stand down as directed by the police. He can be clearly heard on the police call to say "these *******s always get away".
In my view, this is an avoidable death and it was Zimmerman's call to defuse the situation.
Of course, none of us has all the facts and are therefore not entitled to have an opinion, so why are we talking about it?

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I know if I was on patrol and saw someone who I did not think belonged there I would call thr cops and wait till they showed up. What about you?

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1, Agree
2. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
3. That's the report. Sounds reasonable.
4. No indication either way.
5. Telepathy.
6. Telepathy.
7. True, but doesn't explain Z's cuts, bruises and broken nose.
8. Open question predicated on the above and perhaps other unrevealed evidence.
6.

Yes, which goes to both T & Z.

For example: Why didn't T call the cops about some weirdo stalking him?

What would I do? Call police.

I've never been in that particular circumstance but I have called local cops when I have seen suspicious activity and people in my neighborhood. When I moved here there were break-ins. Haven't had a break-in in 5-6 years. Coincidence? I don't think so. My town directs patrols via police reports. I believe that if my neighbors and I report suspicious activity that it will boost the report rate and encourage more patrols.

Damned if I'll let race be an excuse for stupidity. You're on your own.

Not race but personal experience? Perhaps he had run ins with the law that were not pleasant? Lots of minorities do not trust law enforcement and with legitimate reasons. Just because you do not accept it does not mean it is not legitimate. Hell there are people here who hate law enforcement.

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

It's not a question of hating law enforcement. You're being followed by a menacing big dude who you may realize is armed. You might be thinking: by the time anyone gets here, I'll be dead and/or in a hundred pieces in this guy's basement.

Martin was out an about. Where was he supposed to go? Zimmerman had a car. We know where he should have stayed.

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
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5. & 6. are assumptions I draw between 3. & 7.
And no, Z's cuts and bruises are not explained in any way, are they?
It is merely confirmed those injuries were there. No supportive evidence to the fact that those resulted from a physical impact initiated by M.

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I understand seeing both sides of a story.
It was your inventing of the quote that caused the NBC comment. They seem not to let facts get in the way of the storyline--as they see it.

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Was there not an indication that he did not have a cell phone?
Maybe things came upon him to quickly. We don't know if M had ample indication that he was being followed, maybe he was even surprised when the approach/confrontation took place.

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I believe there are statements from Martins GF that they ere talking on the cell phone about a man following Martin. I do not remember what supposedly was said about what to do.

Both Martin and Zimerman had cell phones at one point. Zimmerman was on the phone with the cops and Martin was on the phone with is GF.

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Do we know for sure what happened?
Is it not possible that Z was on his way to his car when M confronted him? That's why I want a timeline, and to know where everyone was. For instance, we know the 911 dispatcher told Z "we don't need you to do that". What we don't know is where was he when he got that instruction, and where he walked, next. He may have been returning to his car, when M --seeing a guy following him--turned the tables and confronted Z. Regardless of Z'a actions, once M confronts, and issues the "you are going to die" then its everyman for himself. IF--if that is the way it went. Right now we don't know. You don't know, and I don't know. I am just speculating w/o and intent to make this a racial crime. Some are speculating just in order to make it a racial crime.
Lets see what comes out in court.

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Not intending that Trayvon was responsible for the confrontation. It was Z's initiative that resulted in the confrontation. But that does not necessarily mean that Trayvon didn't beat the crap out of Z. How else to explain his wounds?

If Trayvon was administering an (well-desrved, perhaps) ass-beating which Z reasonably believed was mortal, then Z was protecting himself from murder. Doesn't absolve Z of moral culpability but may prove to absolve him of legal culpability.