Sounds all good. In theory.

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Oh hell. Maybe Trayvon called Z a wetback. WTF?

Okay. I'll wait for the trial. Speculating just isn't especially informative.

I know if I were entrusted by my neighbors, specifically, to watch for suspicious and unfamiliar people in my gated community, I would watch for suspicious and unfamiliar people in my gated community...

I'll go for facts, any time. Whatcha got?

Nobody learned anything after Rodney king...public ready to crucify before learning the facts and when they do, still crucify.

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"Watch." Not be ready to go in with six-shooters blazing. Bloodstains on the sidewalk tend to make the neighbors unhappy.

Logic dictates, that if Z would not have approached M, we wouldn't have this situation.
There is no indication that M was following or stalked Z.
Z followed, approached and confronted/cornered M.
There is no indication that this was a friendly encounter to begin with.
M feels threatened by Z's unqualified and potentially aggressive approach.
M panics/looses his cool. Z resorts to his gun.
Self defense?

Just my armchair view.

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Looking at any single part of this case in a vacuum yields nothing helpful. There are several factors that impact the case both ways.

One salient point that tends to damage Zimmerman is the ME's conclusion that the fatal shot was fired from "intermediate" range. Of course the ME has merely added mud to that conclusion, because he didn't state what he meant by "intermediate". (However, it's reasonable to conclude that it wasn't fired from "close" or "point-blank" range, since he did *not* say that.) Surely that is something that will be explored further by attorneys on both sides, but Zimmerman would have a stronger defense if the finding were at point-blank range, as that would dovetail nicely with his story of Martin sitting on him and beating him.

Of course lots of other things also impact that, like angle of trajectory etc...and all of that will be explored and will come out at trial, if not sooner.


At its root, I think the issue here was the gun, and I'm not saying anything against private ownership of guns, I hailed the Miller decision and own some myself. But rather, I don't think Zimmerman would have chosen to be on this private patrol if he wasn't permitted to carry a gun, and it seems probable that he wouldn't have been so quick to go confront someone if he hadn't been carrying, and would likely have just stayed in the car and waited for the PD to arrive (as they suggested).

I believe it was a single semi-auto. As to the rest, I've never been within 1000 miles of the place, knew not the area, or people involved. I doubt you or anyone else on this forum did either.

"Six shooter" was a figure of speech in case you didn't guess

I was having some fun.

Rather, you're choosing to see one side of the story.

And one you've wholly made up that -- surprise -- conveniently supports your own preconceived notions.

Heck, we don't even have all of Zimmerman's side, and he's alive.

The bottom line is that we DON'T know a whole lot more about this case than we do know. More and more of it is coming out, but there is still more darkness than light.


And sure, it's JMHO, but making up crap in your own mind about the case and then spewing that crap on an internet forum doesn't do ANYONE any good.

Doesn't explain the cuts, bruises, and broken nose.

No question Z should've stayed in his car. Probably nothing would have happened had he done that. Cops would have come (eventually, maybe) on Z's call to PD and then checked-out T. T would justifiably have been pissed-off at the apparent police profiling. T&Z would've both gone home.

Tragic. No question. Crime? dunno.

It is my personal opinion that someone who arms himself, patrols the neighborhood, and then pursues a "suspect" after being told by the 911 dispatcher that they did not need him to do that is a menace. YMMV.For some people it probably is.