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Is that a live animal? Can I shoot it?!?

Well spoken!

What bothers Me is that everyone who fills a Political office swears to uphold the US Continuation. I don't trust someone who ignores their oath of office and allows the US Constitutions be eroded.

When I was a Kid you could order Guns and Ammunition and have the Post Office deliver them your front Door. So there was easy access to Fire Arms and a few restrictions. So I can't believe that simple access and position of Fire Arms is the cause of Gun Violence.
It is the large number of irresponsible People in our Society that is causing the Violence no matter the Weapon.

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When exactly does this happen? Can you actually give some modern day examples when guns were used to protect an individual's rights from being taken by the federal government?

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Editor's Note — Our attention has been called to Mrs. Roosevelt's column
upon McMinn. She seems to have grasped the facts and significance better
than any other outside writer:

McMinn A Warning — By Eleanor Roosevelt

New York, Monday — After any war, the use of force throughout the world
is almost taken for granted. Men involved in the war have been trained
to use force, and they have discovered that, when you want something,
you can take it. The return to peacetime methods governed by law and
persuasion is usually difficult.

We in the U.S.A., who have long boasted that, in our political life,
freedom in the use of the secret ballot made it possible for us to
register the will of the people without the use of force, have had a
rude awakening as we read of conditions in McMinn County, Tennessee,
which brought about the use of force in the recent primary. If a
political machine does not allow the people free expression, then
freedom-loving people lose their faith in the machinery under which
their government functions.

In this particular case, a group of young veterans organized to oust the
local machine and elect their own slate in the primary. We may deplore
the use of force but we must also recognize the lesson which this
incident points for us all. When the majority of the people know what
they want, they will obtain it.

Any local, state or national government, or any political machine, in
order to live, must give the people assurance that they can express
their will freely and that their votes will be counted. The most
powerful machine cannot exist without the support of the people.
Political bosses and political machinery can be good, but the minute
they cease to express the will of the people, their days are numbered.

This is a lesson which wise political leaders learn young, and you can
be pretty sure that, when a boss stays in power, he gives the majority
of the people what they think they want. If he is bad and indulges in
practices which are dishonest, or if he acts for his own interests
alone, the people are unwilling to condone these practices.

When the people decide that conditions in their town, county, state or
country must change, they will change them. If the leadership has been
wise, they will be able to do it peacefully through a secret ballot
which is honestly counted, but if the leader has become inflated and too
sure of his own importance, he may bring about the kind of action which
was taken in Tennessee.

If we want to continue to be a mature people who, at home and abroad,
settle our difficulties peacefully and not through the use of force,
then we will take to heart this lesson and we will jealously guard our
rights. What goes on before an election, the threats or persuasion by
political leaders, may be bad but it cannot prevent the people from
really registering their will if they wish to.

The decisive action which has just occurred in our midst is a warning,
and one which we cannot afford to overlook.

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Pearl High School, Mississippi: This incident began the morning of Oct. 1, 1997, when 16-year-old student Luke Windham entered the school with a rifle. Wearing only an orange jumpsuit and a trench coat and making no effort to hide his weapon, he initially entered the school and shot and killed two students, injuring seven others. He was stopped by assistant principal Joel Myrick, who retrieved a .45 cal. handgun from the glove box of his truck.

“I’ve always kept a gun in the truck just in case something like this ever happened,” said Myrick at the time, who went on to become principal of Corinth High School, Corinth, Miss.

Appalachia Law School, Virginia: On Jan. 16, 2002, Peter Odighizuwa, 43, a former student from Nigeria, arrived on the campus of the school with a handgun around 1:00 p.m. and immediately killed three people, at least two of them at point-blank range. Two students – Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges – both retrieved handguns from their vehicles and confronted Odighizuwa. As former police officers, both men were trained to subdue suspects but the fact is they were on the scene and armed, and helped prevent more killings.

Muskegon, Michigan: From the Aug. 23, 1995, issue of the Muskegon Chronicle: “Plans to slay everyone in the Muskegon, Michigan, store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their ‘gnawing hunger for crack cocaine’ fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back. Store owner Clare Cooper was returning behind the counter after showing three of the four conspirators some jewelry, when one of the group pulled out a gun and shot him four times in the back. Stumbling for the safety of his bullet-proof glass-encased counter, Cooper managed to grab his shotgun and fire as the suspects fled.“

Colorado Springs, Colo.: On Dec. 9, 2007, gunman Mathew Murray, 24, launched an armed attack against the parishioners of the New Life Church that ultimately left two innocent victims dead. But the toll could have been much higher, were it not for the heroic actions of former police officer Jeanne Assam from Minnesota. In an interview she said she very nearly decided not to go to church that morning but because she saw a headline on her computer indicating that two young people were murdered and a training center for Christian missionaries about 70 miles away in the Denver suburb of Arvada, she changed her mind. Murray shot a total of five people before an armed Assam shot and killed him. There were about 7,000 people at the church at the time of the attack.

“Criminologist Gary Kleck estimates that 2.5 million Americans use guns to defend themselves each year. Out of that number, 400,000 believe that but for their firearms, they would have been dead,” columnist Larry Elder wrote in July, following the shooting tragedy at the premier of the latest Batman movie in Aurora, Colo.

“We know from Census Bureau surveys that something beyond 100,000 uses of guns for self-defense occur every year,” adds Professor Emeritus James Q. Wilson, a public policy expert at the University of California-Los Angeles. “We know from smaller surveys of a commercial nature that the number may be as high as two-and-a-half or three million. We don’t know what the right number is, but whatever the right number is, it’s not a trivial number.”

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If it's hard for you to understand why Second Amendment advocates are so opposed to gun control, here's why:

-- 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

--1929, The Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

= 1935, China established gun control.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

-- 1938, Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 6 to 7 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and 12 million Christians who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

- 1956, Cambodia established gun control.
From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

--1964, Guatemala established gun control.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

--1970, Uganda established gun control.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

You may think that this is America, not Uganda. You may think our government could never commit such an atrocity. Ask a Native American ... if you can find one.

Mike Brugger,
East Moline

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Somehow the above post seems pretty oversimplified. I would be interested in knowing more in detail what happened.

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I was bored and decided to look into this thread.

I have no idea what the worked Militia means to you. The Constitution allows for I believe is a well regulated Militia.

To know what Militia meant back at the time the Constitution was written we need to look up what the Historical example of a Militia was or find some definition of the term that was written back at that time.

My understanding if it was that if you lived in some Town or Village every Male between certain ages was subject to being called up as a Militia and to provide their own Rifle and other equipment.

They were also expected to do some minimal Military type drills.

Militia certainly does not have the negative connotation that I am getting from this post.
Back to the subject; I am not sure what the NRA had in mind but personally I think the Police or hired Security Guards should do the Gun toting job.
I did think over the volunteer idea and decided that if People wanted to be un-armed Volunteers the more Eyes and Ears the better.

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You seem to have missed several recent Supreme Court decisions in which the 2nd Amendment was recognized as protecting an individual's right to own a weapon, not a militia.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions concerning the Second Amendment. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. In dicta, the Court listed many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Also, the militia of time gone by were much like what we now fear so dreadfully out in the woods in Idaho or Michigan. I doubt that's really where you want this to go, is it?

For Myself I don't believe the People you are speaking of in Idaho or Michigan exactly fit what I have read a Malitia was in the Past.

The News Media has labled them Malitia and it may even be the People themselves hide behind the term.

As an example a bunch of armed Members of the KKK did not make them a Malitia.

I say that because just being in an armed group of people does not make you a Malitia.

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Perhaps you might avail yourself of the opportunity to learn what defined a militia. The folks in MI & ID are indeed exactly of the same stuff as the original concept.

Further reading will scare a thinking person shyteless when we consider the power vested in a militia, given early US history. Might start with artillery?