That's why I like to call it safer storage - safer than leaving them lying around all over the place. Anyone who doesn't see this an acceptable start is deluding themselves. And, the delusional can always find reasons to maintain their status quo.

For example....

When we characterize each other as illogical, insane and unsafe it is easier to ignore each other.

I disagree -- it is in my control as it is in my house and my house is in my control, whether or not I am present. Were that not the case I would not have to carry liability insurance. I could tell the judge, "Hey, I wasn't home when the kid locked himself in the abandoned fridge" and everything would be okay.

I don't leave cash or guns on my kitchen table. "... a place for everything..."

I can see your point, but if you are held liable for the abandoned fridge, do you not imagine that people will want to hold you responsible for crimes committed with your stolen guns?

There are already insurance companies that will either not insure, or raise the premiums to insure homeowners with guns.

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Fridges have low value as a tool of self-defense.

Fort knox huh. So the police state is at home? Gun safes are not impenetrable.

How about the death penalty for stealing one of these weapons of doom? It puts the responsibility at the feet of the criminals instead of creating more criminals for owning the weapons.


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They aren't "weapons of doom" until they are used to kill innocent people. The goal is to keep them from becoming weapons of doom in the hands of the wrong people, as well as removing the opportunity for government representatives and others to call them such.

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When we characterize each other as illogical, insane and unsafe it is easier to ignore each other.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/mobileweb/2012/10/14/gun-crime-canada_n_1964750.html

"OTTAWA - Crimes involving guns cost Canadians more than $3 billion a year, suggests an internal Justice Department study that may stoke the gun-control debate."


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Handguns kill less people than fully automatic abortion clinics. Hows that for a strawman?


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Funny, when people kill people its usually because of a mental health issue.
Except when they do it with a gun.
Then it becomes a constitutional issue.

I think murder is murder no matter what weapon is used.
Guns, knives, sporks, dont kill people.
Mentally ill people do.

Maybe the answer lies in mental health care, and not constitutional law ?
And keeping sporks out of the hands of the criminally insane !

Not always. The mass murders are generally mental illness related, but in "normal" murders, arguments, drug deals, and robberies are popular circumstances. Read here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 10

I agree with you about murder being murder, however you don't have to be mentally ill to commit it.

Given the number of crazy people I encounter on a regular basis, I think better access to mental health resources would probably be a good thing. And everyone knows no good can come from sporks.

More interesting reading here:

FBI — Expanded Homicide Data Table 8

FBI — Murder

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I guess there is justifiable murder. Was not thinking about that.

Sad, there is no statistics kept by the FBI on Spork related murder.
Just the "other weapons" category.

Gun Control Tramples On The Certain Virtues Of A Heavily Armed Citizenry - Forbes

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

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Well I guess now we all know what the second amendment is about and can quit arguing.

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