In my house weapons are in my possession and control whether I am present or not. See, my assumption is that my home is inviolate. A person present without my permission is a criminal and it is not my responsibility to protect him.

In fact, the opposite.

Well if you gun gets stolen out of you house and is used to murder someone I would like to see you in jail for a very very long time.

I do not understand the issue with locking up guns when they are not in use and no one is present.

__________________
Sent from an agnostic abacus

2014 C250 21,XXX my new DD ** 2013 GLK 350 18,000 Wife's new DD**

- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Being in the house IS "locked up". The crime of breaking in and stealing the gun is where the problem starts.

__________________
Satan creates nothing: he only ruins everything. He does not invent: he tampers. And his followers are no different ~ Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigaṇ

I love guns, love shooting them, love holding them, just love them. But I don't love to have them in my house, the responsibility is to great a burden for me. I have more important things to worry about.

__________________
1979 Black on Black, 300CD (sold), 1990 Black 300SE, Silver 1989 Volvo 780, 1988 300CE (vanished by the hands of a girlfriend), 1992 300CE (Rescue).

Unless your house has no windows and is built like Fort Knox, it is not locked up. There's also the hot new GF who you might have staying the weekend, the guy who comes to measure for carpets, the bug exterminator. Anybody could spread the word you have guns laying around, and a broken window later they are gone. Criminals don't obey laws, right?

__________________
1985 380SE Blue/Blue - 230,000 miles
2012 Subaru Forester 5-speed
2005 Toyota Sienna
2004 Chrysler Sebring convertible
1999 Toyota Tacoma

I forget what country, maybe S. Africa but I was reading that while gun safes were widespread there was a problem with gang home invasions where they would hold the residents captive and use various sorts of coercion to force them to open the safe to get at the guns.

__________________
Te futueo et caballum tuum

1986 300SDL, 362K
1984 300D, 138K

That is correct.

- Peter

__________________
2021 Chevrolet Spark
Formerly...
2000 GMC Sonoma
1981 240D 4spd stick. 347000 miles. Deceased Feb 14 2021
2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles.
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

Who you gonna lock up if it is a corporate owned or government owned gun?

First in line of responsibility.

__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif

So if someone steals your car and crashes into a crowd,killing a bunch of people,should YOU or the person that stole your car be held responsible?

Objects whether guns,cars, or knives can not do anything unless someone picks them up and uses them for evil.

__________________
86 300SDL. 250,xxx on #14 Head. One eye always on temp gauge.. Cruising towards 300K

OK, as long as we cannot shake the apples and oranges car comments...

If you left your keys in the car with kids in it, and they started the car and ran people over.... Do you think you have any liability?

__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif

Cars are not guns and guns are not cars. Different rules apply. Not sure why people insist on treating them as equals.

__________________
Sent from an agnostic abacus

2014 C250 21,XXX my new DD ** 2013 GLK 350 18,000 Wife's new DD**

- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

Cars, hammers, guns.... they are all the same. Sporks too, a person who really cared could find a way to kill people with a spork....

If sporks are outlawed, only outlaws will have sporks.

__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif

Then why do people(not you specifically) keep saying we have to register cars and not guns? I am only bringing up the fact that some people WON'T separate the two.

__________________
86 300SDL. 250,xxx on #14 Head. One eye always on temp gauge.. Cruising towards 300K

I believe David is in favor or registering guns....

Cars are the gun freaks favorite strawman.... look at how many people they kill.... they should be banned.
But, that argument cuts both ways, as cars are registered and regulated in ways that guns are not. It's a piss poor argument, and has done nothing to further the cause of the gun owners.
How about periodic gun inspections? Just like a car? Bring it in and show that it remains in your possession, is in good working order, and has not had any illegal modifications??

__________________
On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

https://media.giphy.com/media/X3nnss8PAj5aU/giphy.gif