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Old 12-22-2012, 07:59 PM
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I haven't heard a better idea coming from the 0Bama admin. which is not surprising. If you're going to need to be prepared for a gun fight, it may make sense to be armed with adequate firepower. Wouldn't it? I don't see any alternative.

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Old 12-22-2012, 08:01 PM
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It was a dumb idea then as it's now. Creating a police state to keep your "liberties", where does it stop?
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:47 PM
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It was a dumb idea then as it's now. Creating a police state to keep your "liberties", where does it stop?
Some people have no issue with trampling your liberties in an effort to preserve their own.... even if their liberties are already infringing on others.
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:56 PM
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Some people have no issue with trampling your liberties in an effort to preserve their own.... even if their liberties are already infringing on others.

This is a misleading statement (if not intentionally so).

How does one infringe on the others?
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Its not a police state at football games, airports and the white house to have security.
Why do you go to the extreme and say that its a police state? Is it to stop an opposing viewpoint?


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Old 12-22-2012, 09:33 PM
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Putting kids daily into an environment where armed guards are necessary tells them (and ourselves) that we have given up trying to build a better and kinder world for them.

It does no such thing. It eases their minds and frees them to study.

Taking rights that affect them is admitting defeat and weakening their positions later in life.
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Old 12-22-2012, 09:43 PM
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Putting kids daily into an environment where armed guards are necessary tells them (and ourselves) that we have given up trying to build a better and kinder world for them.
They said the same about security guards...yet, nearly every HS across the nation has them.

They said the same about metal detectors...yet how many schools have them installed across the nation?
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This is a misleading statement (if not intentionally so).

How does one infringe on the others?
Going for a statement that either side of the discussion would feel at home using...
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If you look back, I have not advocated taking away rights. I'd like to see citizens retain their rights and gun owners become more responsible with their cache. In this case, locking the guns up could have thwarted the killings. If everybody locks up their guns, there will be far fewer accidents, period.

That wouldn't have prevented Columbine though. An armed guard on the premises didn't stop it either.
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Mmmm, is that not what I'm saying all along.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:11 PM
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If everybody locks up their guns, there will be far fewer accidents, period.

That wouldn't have prevented Columbine though. An armed guard on the premises didn't stop it either.
Break ins and murdered home owners aside.

The utopian solution you propose leaves out the criminal equation. With that nothing changes but the rights of the law abiding people.
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:15 PM
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I gotta say, the NRA is an organ of the gun industry so it should be no surprise that their solution to every problem is to provide more people with guns.
So you're saying I am being duped by gun-sellers?

Really?

Because of this latest attack on my rights I I'll probably rejoin the NRA. I haven't been a member in over 30 years. An attack on my rights is an attack on me and I will join with other like-minded people as an act of self-preservation.

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Break ins and murdered home owners aside.

The utopian solution you propose leaves out the criminal equation. With that nothing changes but the rights of the law abiding people.
I mean keep them locked up unless you are in possession and control.
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In my house weapons are in my possession and control whether I am present or not. See, my assumption is that my home is inviolate. A person present without my permission is a criminal and it is not my responsibility to protect him.

In fact, the opposite.
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Old 12-22-2012, 11:07 PM
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Well if you gun gets stolen out of you house and is used to murder someone I would like to see you in jail for a very very long time.

I do not understand the issue with locking up guns when they are not in use and no one is present.

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