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Old 12-23-2012, 03:32 AM
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In my house weapons are in my possession and control whether I am present or not. See, my assumption is that my home is inviolate. A person present without my permission is a criminal and it is not my responsibility to protect him.

In fact, the opposite.
When you assume....

By definition, the weapon is not in your control if you don't have the ability to take it into your hands. It may be in a controlled environment....

Would you leave the cash equivalent of your gun lying on the kitchen table when you are not home?

I know I don't.... not expecting to get broken into and burglarized, but it has happened, so I don't make it easy in case it happens again.

Locking up your weapon when you are not home is not protecting the criminal, it's protecting everyone else.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:49 AM
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When you assume....

By definition, the weapon is not in your control if you don't have the ability to take it into your hands. It may be in a controlled environment....

Would you leave the cash equivalent of your gun lying on the kitchen table when you are not home?

I know I don't.... not expecting to get broken into and burglarized, but it has happened, so I don't make it easy in case it happens again.

Locking up your weapon when you are not home is not protecting the criminal, it's protecting everyone else.
That's why I like to call it safer storage - safer than leaving them lying around all over the place. Anyone who doesn't see this an acceptable start is deluding themselves. And, the delusional can always find reasons to maintain their status quo.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:55 AM
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That's why I like to call it safer storage - safer than leaving them lying around all over the place. Anyone who doesn't see this an acceptable start is deluding themselves. And, the delusional can always find reasons to maintain their status quo.
For example....

When we characterize each other as illogical, insane and unsafe it is easier to ignore each other.
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Old 12-28-2012, 06:50 PM
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When you assume....

By definition, the weapon is not in your control if you don't have the ability to take it into your hands. It may be in a controlled environment....

Would you leave the cash equivalent of your gun lying on the kitchen table when you are not home?

I know I don't.... not expecting to get broken into and burglarized, but it has happened, so I don't make it easy in case it happens again.

Locking up your weapon when you are not home is not protecting the criminal, it's protecting everyone else.
I disagree -- it is in my control as it is in my house and my house is in my control, whether or not I am present. Were that not the case I would not have to carry liability insurance. I could tell the judge, "Hey, I wasn't home when the kid locked himself in the abandoned fridge" and everything would be okay.

I don't leave cash or guns on my kitchen table. "... a place for everything..."
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:33 AM
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I disagree -- it is in my control as it is in my house and my house is in my control, whether or not I am present. Were that not the case I would not have to carry liability insurance. I could tell the judge, "Hey, I wasn't home when the kid locked himself in the abandoned fridge" and everything would be okay.

I don't leave cash or guns on my kitchen table. "... a place for everything..."
I can see your point, but if you are held liable for the abandoned fridge, do you not imagine that people will want to hold you responsible for crimes committed with your stolen guns?

There are already insurance companies that will either not insure, or raise the premiums to insure homeowners with guns.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:15 PM
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I can see your point, but if you are held liable for the abandoned fridge, do you not imagine that people will want to hold you responsible for crimes committed with your stolen guns?

There are already insurance companies that will either not insure, or raise the premiums to insure homeowners with guns.
Fridges have low value as a tool of self-defense.
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