My idea is not instantaneous. It takes time to get 300 million guns under control. If the guns all have to be titles eventually the gangs would not have access to them because they have a criminal record. If the gun gets used in a crime the police get to go to the last name on the title and your ass goes to jail.

Someone planning to do that would carry more guns or to reload a Revolver use a Speed Loader.

No one has even spoken of the possible use of a Shotgun!

Locks only keep honest people honest...they have no bearing on criminals.

Mine are locked up but if Criminal grabbed someone in My Family and put a Knife to their Throat and ask Me to unlock My Safe what do you think I would Do?

If Gun Owners conceede and gave up their Rights to some of the items and Guns suggested and time proved that losing those Rights had no positive effect do you think the Government would restore their Rights?

I believe the answer is No.

So in the recent Mass Murder who would you assign responsibility/blame to? Momma the Gun owner is Dead and the Shooter is Dead?

I think you are assuming that Guns could not be smuggled into the Country like Tons of Drugs are.

There is also an aspect of this that has never been brought up.

When the Russians invaded Afghanistan they found the various Tribes armed with Homemade Copies of British Rifles and German Mausers.
As the War progressed for 4 years are so the demand for Weapons rose to the extent that in the one article I read one of the Gun Local Gunmakers was makeing a Copy of a 20mm Cannon.
Now Afghanistan is a rather primitive place even now and they were making their own Guns.

They also make illegal Guns in the Philippines like that.

In our industrialize Country if there was enough money to be made someone is going to make their own Guns and sell them.
But, I think smuggling them in would be much easier.

No, no, no...See, there's laws in place preventing people from making guns without getting the propers in place and paying the $200 tax for a special stamp. See, this business of writing laws is keeping all of us safe from harm. Laws are there to protect us from others, because laws are illegal to break. If you break one, then you're no longer a lawful citizen, and EVERYONE wants to be lawful.

No siree...those laws will never be broken, so there's no fear of anyone making their own guns...Not in this country!!

:cool:;)

I don't think comparing an ingenious, industrious, fiercely independent and politically desperate culture like the Afghan people with common American bad guys makes a whole lot of sense.

Yes and this would be a less deadly due to the lower rate of firing, changing guns,reloading, was that 5 or 6 shots. Ask a police officer which weapons they prefer to face on the street.

The Bushmaster AR-15 seems to be the weapon of choice for mass shootings,

" — 12 killed in Aurora, Colo., 2 in Portland, Ore., 27 in Newton, Conn. Now 2 firefighters in Webster."

That practically makes it a classic...

The hammer killer fireman killer had a shotgun to back up his "assault" rifle.

This crime has some similarities

April 16, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho
32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping

Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had known Mental issues, legal Alien, Passed the Back Round Check (did not say He had mental issues and Even though the a Court had ordered Treatment for those Mental Health issues evidently did not show up in the Back Round Check), bought 2 Hand Guns and used a used the Glock 19 pistol; Cho fired more than 170 shots during the killing spree, evidence technicians finding at least 17 empty Magazines at the scene

"On December 13, 2005, Cho was found "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" by New River Valley Community Services Board.[65] The physician who examined Cho noted that he had a flat affect and depressed mood, even though Cho "denied suicidal thoughts and did not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder."[65] Based on this mental health examination and because Cho was suspected of being "an imminent danger to himself or others", he was detained temporarily at Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Virginia, pending a commitment hearing before the Montgomery County, Virginia district court.[65]"

"Virginia Special Justice Paul Barnett certified in an order that Cho "presented an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness," but instead recommended treatment for Cho as an outpatient. On December 14, 2005, Cho was released from the mental health facility after Judge Barnett ordered Cho to undergo mental health treatment on an outpatient basis,[66] with a directive for the "court-ordered [outpatient] to follow all recommended treatments." Since Cho underwent only a minimal psychiatric assessment,[65] the true diagnosis for Cho's mental health status remains unknown."
"Investigative panel report

In the aftermath of the killing spree, Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine (D) appointed a panel to investigate the campus shootings, with plans for the panel to submit a report of its findings in approximately two to three months. Kaine also invited former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to join the panel to "review Cho’s mental health history and how police responded to the tragedy."[112] To help investigate and analyze the emergency response surrounding the Virginia Tech shootings, Kaine hired the same company that investigated the Columbine High School massacre.[113]

The panel's final report devoted more than 30 pages to detailing Cho's mental health history. The report criticized Virginia Tech educators, administrators and mental health staff in failing to "connect the dots" from numerous incidents that were warning signs of Cho's mental instability beginning in his junior year. The report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."[35] The report called Virginia's mental health laws "flawed" and its mental health services "inadequate". The report also confirmed that Cho was able to purchase two guns in violation of federal law because of Virginia's inadequate background check requirements"

In the above stuff a non-citizen (leagal Alien) with know and certified Mental illness lies on His application to buy a Gun. Despite know and Court certified Mental Illness He passes is backround check.

Magazines. 170 Shots fired 17 empty Magazines found. This sounds like they were 10 round/shot Magazines. After 10 rounds/shots a Magazine is considered a High Copacity Magazine.

This particular situation Has a some of the Elements that many of the people posted wanted. Back Round Check and the Maginzine size limitation.
The result was 32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping.

I don't see anything in the above stuff that I read or on the site that would indcate the NRA or any of the Members of the NRA could be liable.

This crime has some similarities

April 16, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho
32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping

Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Had known Mental issues, legal Alien, Passed the Back Round Check (did not say He had mental issues and Even though the a Court had ordered Treatment for those Mental Health issues evidently did not show up in the Back Round Check), bought 2 Hand Guns and used a used the Glock 19 pistol; Cho fired more than 170 shots during the killing spree, evidence technicians finding at least 17 empty Magazines at the scene

"On December 13, 2005, Cho was found "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization" by New River Valley Community Services Board.[65] The physician who examined Cho noted that he had a flat affect and depressed mood, even though Cho "denied suicidal thoughts and did not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder."[65] Based on this mental health examination and because Cho was suspected of being "an imminent danger to himself or others", he was detained temporarily at Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Virginia, pending a commitment hearing before the Montgomery County, Virginia district court.[65]"

"Virginia Special Justice Paul Barnett certified in an order that Cho "presented an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness," but instead recommended treatment for Cho as an outpatient. On December 14, 2005, Cho was released from the mental health facility after Judge Barnett ordered Cho to undergo mental health treatment on an outpatient basis,[66] with a directive for the "court-ordered [outpatient] to follow all recommended treatments." Since Cho underwent only a minimal psychiatric assessment,[65] the true diagnosis for Cho's mental health status remains unknown."
"Investigative panel report

In the aftermath of the killing spree, Virginia Governor Timothy Kaine (D) appointed a panel to investigate the campus shootings, with plans for the panel to submit a report of its findings in approximately two to three months. Kaine also invited former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to join the panel to "review Cho’s mental health history and how police responded to the tragedy."[112] To help investigate and analyze the emergency response surrounding the Virginia Tech shootings, Kaine hired the same company that investigated the Columbine High School massacre.[113]

The panel's final report devoted more than 30 pages to detailing Cho's mental health history. The report criticized Virginia Tech educators, administrators and mental health staff in failing to "connect the dots" from numerous incidents that were warning signs of Cho's mental instability beginning in his junior year. The report concluded that the school's mental health systems "failed for lack of resources, incorrect interpretation of privacy laws, and passivity."[35] The report called Virginia's mental health laws "flawed" and its mental health services "inadequate". The report also confirmed that Cho was able to purchase two guns in violation of federal law because of Virginia's inadequate background check requirements"

In the above stuff a non-citizen (leagal Alien) with know and certified Mental illness lies on His application to buy a Gun. Despite know and Court certified Mental Illness He passes is backround check.

Magazines. 170 Shots fired 17 empty Magazines found. This sounds like they were 10 round/shot Magazines. After 10 rounds/shots a Magazine is considered a High Copacity Magazine.

This particular situation Has a some of the Elements that many of the people posted wanted. Back Round Check and the Maginzine size limitation.
The result was 32 killed, 17 wounded and 6 injured escaping.

I don't see anything in the above stuff that I read or on the site that would indcate the NRA or any of the Members of the NRA could be liable.

I also picked this one incase some did not know that a Legal Alien could buy Fire Arms in this Country.

Bushmaster is evidently one of the Companies that makes AR-15 Clones. Likely a less expensive version. But, Bushmaster also makes other Guns som I am not sure what Version was used.
At least one version of the Bushmaster was considered an Assult Weapon in CT, the State the Murder took place in. But, oddly the Media has not mentioned that.
Lots of info below. I did not look at it in detail.
http://www.jud.ct.gov/lawlib/law/firearms.htm

In reality a Rifle is always a better choice because a Rifle is easier to Aim and Shoot accurately; regardless of Fire Power.
This is why you don't see individual Soldiers in the Military Armed with Hand Guns as their main Weapon.

In the past there was 2 companies that Made Handguns that too 18 Shot Magazines and there also is Drum Magazines made for Shotguns that are a Higher Capacity then the typical 10 shot ones found on the Police Shot Guns.

Also with Shotguns with the typical Tubular Magazines you can Fire a few shots and while you are moving to another spot jam a few more shells into the Gun.
They teach the Police to do this so the Gun is kept as fully loaded as possible during an incounter.

If you could manage to hid behind a complete set of Law Books at all time you would indeed be protected by the Letter or the Law>:D

I liked it better when I was a Kid when People as a whole mostly obey the Law and the Law was allowed to Kick Ass on the ones who did not want to obey the Law.