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davidmash 12-26-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3073064)
Mine are locked up but if Criminal grabbed someone in My Family and put a Knife to their Throat and ask Me to unlock My Safe what do you think I would Do?

I thought you had the guns in your house for self defense?

Diesel911 12-26-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3073353)
I thought you had the guns in your house for self defense?

I did not actually say what purpose I used My Guns for; I said I had not used them to kill anything (Actually I used to go Rabbit Hunting but I don't have those Guns anymore. Tried Deer Hunting a bunch of time but the only time I saw one was when I did not have My Gun.). But, that does not matter.

When I come Home I don't strap on one of My Guns and walk around with it in the House or in My Yard ready to pull it on someone.

Some one can wait out side for you or actually already be waiting inside of your Home when you arrive home unarmed.

I fact if I lived in AZ where you are allowed to carry Holsterd Gun as long as it is in plain view I would not do so except in some special event like going to the ATM late at night and so on.
Having to carry a Gun all the time if you don't have some immediate need for it is a real pain in the a**. A Hand Gun becomes several pounds of dead weight trying to yank your Pants down.

Added: I forgot something. I won't explain the details but I had a Guy beating on My Front Door with a Base Ball Bat. In that particular case I had enough time to get a Hand Gun and I carefully angled the Shot so when I shot the Bullet went through the Door and suck in the Roof of my Porch.

The Man Ran off. The Poilce arrived and ask Me what happend and took My Gun and told Me I could pick the Gun up in a Month.

When I went to the Police Station to pick up My Gun the Officer rooted through a pile of Guns that were on the Floor to find it; ya it was scratched up.
I thought it was entirely resonable that they did not let Me walk through the Poilce Station with a loaded Gun and let them keep the Bullets.

When I first moved into My House I kept a Target 22 Pistol by My Bed at night. I could hear someone roaming around out side and I grabbed the Gun and pulled back the slide to load the Gun and the Gun jammed.
I did not want to turn the Lights on and become a well lit target so I just waited to see what hppend and who or what ever it was went away.

After the jamming incident I bought a 38 Revolver. My House was still new to me and had no Fence in the Back Yard that faced an Alley.
About 2 O'clock at Night a Car pull in to My Back Yard and stopped within 3 feet of My Bedroom Window with the Headlights on. I could not see out due to the Headlights.

My Telephone was on a 25 Foot Cord and I did not know exacly where it was and agin I did not want to turn the Light on and become an easy target.

The Car Doors opened I though I more than one Person got out. I could here People crunching on the dried Leaves as they were walking.

Because it was hot in the Living Room I had a 5 foot tall window open and there was only a Screen to keep someone from coming in.
So I laid down on the Floor with My Heart Pounding pointing the Revolver at the Window. And I actually felt under armed.
People continued to walk around a bit and suddenly they ran back into the Car and started to back out.
The got bogged down in a shallow ditch I had dug and struggled to get out of the Ditch; I turned the Lights on and found My Phone and about the time I started to dial the got out of the Ditch and screeched off.

Gradually over the years I built a Fence in the Back, put Bars on the Window and even have a Security Screen Door on the Front Door so if I am Home and someone is trying to get in I have time to deal with that.
I also taught My Wife how to shoot and She likes it. For those who know about this My little 5"2" Wife likes shooting My 1911A1 45.

cmbdiesel 12-26-2012 11:15 PM

Jimmy Fallon as Neil Young performing Pants On The Ground

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80893450/

Jim B. 12-26-2012 11:16 PM

Bobby Slayton - YouTube


You know who never gets the death penalty in this country?

.......crazy people, mentally ill people.

"Oh my client is crazy! He doesn't know what he DID!"


Fine, then he doesn't know we're gonna kill him.


Listen, if he's THAT retarded, put him in the electric chair, and tell him it's a FFFFing RIDE!"

t walgamuth 12-27-2012 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3073362)
I did not actually say what purpose I used My Guns for; I said I had not used them to kill anything (Actually I used to go Rabbit Hunting but I don't have those Guns anymore. Tried Deer Hunting a bunch of time but the only time I saw one was when I did not have My Gun.). But, that does not matter.

When I come Home I don't strap on one of My Guns and walk around with it in the House or in My Yard ready to pull it on someone.

Some one can wait out side for you or actually already be waiting inside of your Home when you arrive home unarmed.

I fact if I lived in AZ where you are allowed to carry Holsterd Gun as long as it is in plain view I would not do so except in some special event like going to the ATM late at night and so on.
Having to carry a Gun all the time if you don't have some immediate need for it is a real pain in the a**. A Hand Gun becomes several pounds of dead weight trying to yank your Pants down.

Added: I forgot something. I won't explain the details but I had a Guy beating on My Front Door with a Base Ball Bat. In that particular case I had enough time to get a Hand Gun and I carefully angled the Shot so when I shot the Bullet went through the Door and suck in the Roof of my Porch.

The Man Ran off. The Poilce arrived and ask Me what happend and took My Gun and told Me I could pick the Gun up in a Month.

When I went to the Police Station to pick up My Gun the Officer rooted through a pile of Guns that were on the Floor to find it; ya it was scratched up.
I thought it was entirely resonable that they did not let Me walk through the Poilce Station with a loaded Gun and let them keep the Bullets.

When I first moved into My House I kept a Target 22 Pistol by My Bed at night. I could hear someone roaming around out side and I grabbed the Gun and pulled back the slide to load the Gun and the Gun jammed.
I did not want to turn the Lights on and become a well lit target so I just waited to see what hppend and who or what ever it was went away.

After the jamming incident I bought a 38 Revolver. My House was still new to me and had no Fence in the Back Yard that faced an Alley.
About 2 O'clock at Night a Car pull in to My Back Yard and stopped within 3 feet of My Bedroom Window with the Headlights on. I could not see out due to the Headlights.

My Telephone was on a 25 Foot Cord and I did not know exacly where it was and agin I did not want to turn the Light on and become an easy target.

The Car Doors opened I though I more than one Person got out. I could here People crunching on the dried Leaves as they were walking.

Because it was hot in the Living Room I had a 5 foot tall window open and there was only a Screen to keep someone from coming in.
So I laid down on the Floor with My Heart Pounding pointing the Revolver at the Window. And I actually felt under armed.
People continued to walk around a bit and suddenly they ran back into the Car and started to back out.
The got bogged down in a shallow ditch I had dug and struggled to get out of the Ditch; I turned the Lights on and found My Phone and about the time I started to dial the got out of the Ditch and screeched off.

Gradually over the years I built a Fence in the Back, put Bars on the Window and even have a Security Screen Door on the Front Door so if I am Home and someone is trying to get in I have time to deal with that.
I also taught My Wife how to shoot and She likes it. For those who know about this My little 5"2" Wife likes shooting My 1911A1 45.

Sounds like you live in an exciting neighborhood.:eek:

My dad always said to never shoot a man with less than a 38. Today with the possibility of one being hopped up on drugs I suppose he might recommend something larger.

jplinville 12-27-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3073423)
Sounds like you live in an exciting neighborhood.:eek:

My dad always said to never shoot a man with less than a 38. Today with the possibility of one being hopped up on drugs I suppose he might recommend something larger.

No...well placed shots. If you aim a gun at someone, and place your finger on the trigger, you've committed yourself to the act of killing them. Place the shot within the kill range (chest, head) and protect yourself. Larger caliber makes more of a mess to be cleaned up, and could be too much for the shooter to handle without practice.

My wife has tried shooting a number of larger caliber rounds, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, and a .50 cal, and cannot control the recoil. The 9mm that she carries is perfect for her, and very controllable.

:D

jplinville 12-27-2012 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3073310)
If you could manage to hid behind a complete set of Law Books at all time you would indeed be protected by the Letter or the Law>:D

I liked it better when I was a Kid when People as a whole mostly obey the Law and the Law was allowed to Kick Ass on the ones who did not want to obey the Law.

When I was a kid, schools gave paddlings then sent you home for another round from dad...same with the neighbors. I remember doing something I shouldn't have while at a neighbor's house. I got swatted on the rump and sent home where I got it again.

The way the laws are written now, you can't touch your kid without fear of the law stepping in and you going to court for abuse and the child being sent to live in foster care.

Parents are either afraid to punish their kids, or they just don't care. Either way, we live in a screwed up society because of it.

Diesel911 12-27-2012 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3073443)
When I was a kid, schools gave paddlings then sent you home for another round from dad...same with the neighbors. I remember doing something I shouldn't have while at a neighbor's house. I got swatted on the rump and sent home where I got it again.

The way the laws are written now, you can't touch your kid without fear of the law stepping in and you going to court for abuse and the child being sent to live in foster care.

Parents are either afraid to punish their kids, or they just don't care. Either way, we live in a screwed up society because of it.

X2 on the above. If I got in trouble at School I tried to make sure I got Home to tell My Mom so She would punish Me again before My Dad got Home.
In fact in the "Good Old Days" Kids got away with very little and there was always Adults around to straighten you out.
That taught you there could be unplesent consquences to your actions and you were going to be held respisiable for your actions.

When I had Psychological in College the theory was that hitting your Kid caused them to be angry and resentful to the Person who did the punishment.
I had no issues with My Parents and School Teachers back then or now about punishiment because I knew what the rules were and made a choice to violate the rules. Meaing I know I was the cause of the Punishiment; so I did not balme anyone else.

As side story: I went out with a Lady who someone had called the County Child Services to investigate Her for Spanking Her Kid.

Child Services threatend to remove the Kid from Her Home.

The Lady went over to Her Child and said that either She had to obey the rules of the House Hold and accept the Punishment if the Child viiolated the rules or if the Child wanted to the Child could go with the Child Services.
The Child decided to say with Mom.

t walgamuth 12-27-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville (Post 3073438)
No...well placed shots. If you aim a gun at someone, and place your finger on the trigger, you've committed yourself to the act of killing them. Place the shot within the kill range (chest, head) and protect yourself. Larger caliber makes more of a mess to be cleaned up, and could be too much for the shooter to handle without practice.

My wife has tried shooting a number of larger caliber rounds, .357 Mag, .44 Mag, and a .50 cal, and cannot control the recoil. The 9mm that she carries is perfect for her, and very controllable.

:D

of course back when Dad was talking a 9mm was not readily available. How does the 9mm compare in power to an ordinary 38 cal?

Diesel911 12-27-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3073423)
Sounds like you live in an exciting neighborhood.:eek:

My dad always said to never shoot a man with less than a 38. Today with the possibility of one being hopped up on drugs I suppose he might recommend something larger.

The incidents were spread out from 1977 till around the late 1980s.

There was also someone wounded in a nearby Play Ground but, that is not normal for this area.

About 1/2 a Mile away is a 2 seperate areas were there is a concentration of Apartement Builddings. I have been told these are both Gang Areas and around the Corner from one there is; again frome what I have been told a Drug Dealers House.

I have not seen Him for along time but the Dealer would sometime drive down My Street in one of his expensive Cars and People would say there goes the Drug Dealer; so I guess it is true.

The one area is not the problemit was as they built a Police Station acrossed the Street from it.

In another thread someone commented about the Poilce always being in Donut Shops.
Maybe We need to make sure each Elementrary School has a Donut Shop next to it.

elchivito 12-27-2012 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3073423)
Sounds like you live in an exciting neighborhood.:eek:

My dad always said to never shoot a man with less than a 38. Today with the possibility of one being hopped up on drugs I suppose he might recommend something larger.

Gun control. A .22 in the eye beats a .45 in the shoulder every time. The best caliber for self defense is the one you can control and shoot the best.

pj67coll 12-27-2012 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3073489)
Gun control. A .22 in the eye beats a .45 in the shoulder every time. The best caliber for self defense is the one you can control and shoot the best.

Never were truer words writ.

- Peter.

jplinville 12-27-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3073483)
of course back when Dad was talking a 9mm was not readily available. How does the 9mm compare in power to an ordinary 38 cal?

.38 is .003" bigger in diameter than a 9mm. 9mm currently has more defense rounds available due to the demand.

For a good comparison, see the link below.

9mm vs 38 Special | Ballistics 101

jplinville 12-27-2012 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito (Post 3073489)
Gun control. A .22 in the eye beats a .45 in the shoulder every time. The best caliber for self defense is the one you can control and shoot the best.

So true...and something I can agree with completely. Even a well placed shot from a .25 is better than nothing at all, when in dire time of need. That's the one you use to hit the bad guy in the groin!

Txjake 12-27-2012 01:14 PM

LOTS of people in the ground from a .22 or .25.


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