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Old 02-12-2013, 05:50 PM
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Does anyone sit down with pen and paper anymore? I used to use trig on a daily basis, and rarely used a calculator. My kids are issued calculators in school. Heck, most of the most common sines used, I memorized years ago.

I guess it is one of those things that you lose if it isn't used.

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Old 02-12-2013, 06:06 PM
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Does anyone sit down with pen and paper anymore? I used to use trig on a daily basis, and rarely used a calculator. My kids are issued calculators in school. Heck, most of the most common sines used, I memorized years ago.

I guess it is one of those things that you lose if it isn't used.
Pen & Paper? No. Only to take notes. Number crunching is why computers were invented. That and doing your tax returns
Think of the ctizen revolt if people had to try and navigate their returns today with pencil and paper. Want a simple tax code? Ban computer use. Won't happen you say? Neither will the tax code become "simple"
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:09 PM
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I'm always sketching and figuring on paper. It seems like it's much easier to be creative on the spur of the moment if you're not near a computer or other electronic device.

I also do all of my initial sketching on paper for projects. I'm pretty decent at drawing to scale and after the concept is laid out, I move to the computer for actual scale drawings.
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Does anyone sit down with pen and paper anymore? I used to use trig on a daily basis, and rarely used a calculator. My kids are issued calculators in school. Heck, most of the most common sines used, I memorized years ago.

I guess it is one of those things that you lose if it isn't used.
Over here they now have maths exams that are tech free. They make the students use their brain & show that they actually understand how to do maths.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:05 PM
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i'm stumped. help me find X

A=B(1+X)^n

I've been trying to figure it out for the past hour. It is basically the time value of money equation. the unknown is the rate (X)
A=new value
B=old value
n=# of periods
Log(A) = B+ n log(1+x)
Log(A)-B = n(log(1+x)
(Log(A)-B)/n = log(1+x)
exp((Log(a)-b))/n) = exp(log(1+x))
exp(A-B)-exp(n) =1+x
x = exp(A-B)-exp(n) -1

Is that right?
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:14 PM
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Does anyone sit down with pen and paper anymore? I used to use trig on a daily basis, and rarely used a calculator. My kids are issued calculators in school. Heck, most of the most common sines used, I memorized years ago.

I guess it is one of those things that you lose if it isn't used.
Trig is easy to do on paper as long as you have CRC tables. Without them it is much more time consuming. A scientific calculator makes it a walk in the park.

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Old 02-12-2013, 07:35 PM
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that's gotta be it. i just could not use the calculator properly. thanks guys. you rock
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Does anyone sit down with pen and paper anymore? I used to use trig on a daily basis, and rarely used a calculator. My kids are issued calculators in school. Heck, most of the most common sines used, I memorized years ago.

I guess it is one of those things that you lose if it isn't used.

I used a pen and paper, lol. Apparently I Was wrong but I'd like to see the math behind it as well to see where I messed up

I hated algebra but I need to take Calc 1 just for fun so I have it on my transcripts
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Old 02-13-2013, 09:19 AM
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pure genius. that is it!!!!

please show me how you did it.
okay.

A=B(1+X)**(n)

A/B=(1+X)**(n)

ln--> natural log

ln(A/B)=(n) ln(1+X)

(1/n) ln(A/B)=ln(1+x)

(1/n) ln(A/B)=ln(1)+ln(X)

(1/n) ln(A/B) - ln(1)= ln(x)

e**[(1/n) ln(A/B)]-e**[ ln(1)] = e**[ln(X)]

(A/B)**(1/n) -1= X

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