Neat, would be a nice replacement for my truck if I can ever get away from needing it.

Would want something with more power for a fun car though.

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2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

why does it have that stupid looking sport grill. I want a hood star damn it!

I have to spring for the luxo version.. Just offer one version!! Mercedes, your product line up is getting bloated just like BMW's.

And the hood... its too flat. Where are those curves and those beautiful lines that harken back to the early days of the W115-W123 hood.

Dude, your username looks like "spud run" to me. As in, "Oh no! We're out of potatoes! Someone needs to go on a spud run!"

I love it.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Not a fan of that sport grill at all. The hood star and grill will definalty need to be in attendence for future owners. It may even be an option as well? We need to wait and see when it becomes available for build on mbusa.

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2015 GLK350 4Matic. My winter DD
2012 E350 4Matic. Road Trip car
2009 CLK350 Coupe Designo.Kleemann Tune For nice days/DD
2006 CL600. V12.Eurocharged Tune. Enough said
2005 CLK55 AMG Coupe.Kleemann Tune. For the sound and style
2004 CLK320 Cabriolet. 2005+ Interior swap. For the sunny Florida days & beach days

"Govna" LOLOL I see what you did there.


It means "feces" in Russian.

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67 250S
72 280SE 4.5
74 280C
77 300D
82 240D
85 190E 2.3
86 300E RIP 12/28/09
85 300SD
92 300D 2.5
00 E320 Current
Over 1,000,000 miles in Benzes, Since66

....and a whole passel of BMW 2002 and Tii

Wow that looks remarkably like the BMW 1 series from the back, classy though. I like the interior shots that have leaked so far, very clean and functional.

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- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

I should not have sold that car. It would have paid for itself in fuel savings given how much I drive in a few years.

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2001 CLK55 AMG 101k
2007 S600 Biturbo 149k Overheated Project, IT'S ALIVE!!!

Justin - the '07-'09 w211 Bluetec does not have urea injection. That started on the w212 sedans in (I think) 2010. That's when diesels again appeared in California emissions states.

The CDI does have an oxydation catalyst. The w211 Bluetec has both the catalyst and a diesel particulate filter (DPF). I think you perhaps meant to slam the DPF.

My brother owns an '06 CDI and I have an '08 Bluetec. From behind the wheel there really isn't much difference. Both cars have huge midrange torque and a decent amount of turbo lag. The om642 Bluetec engine actually specs out at a higher peak torque and the 722.9 transmission in the Bluetec has a much wider spread of gear ranges than the 722.6 in the CDI. In the end they both get the job done in fine fashion.

That's a great point. I'm so cheap, the loss of mpg I will suffer driving a Bluetec sedan, versus an early CDI sedan is hard to accept. Low miles CDIs are just not showing-up as often as low-miles Bluetecs in the places (on-line) I've been looking for one. As I related to you in previous discussion - low-miles to me are not 15K a year.


A lot of this ^^^ is what I have thought that I have come to know about their (CDI/Bluetec) differences.

The MB sales brochure I picked-up from an MB dealership in late 2004,
RE: 2005 E320 CDI, reflects the CDI as having 201 hp @ 4,200 rpm, and 369 ft. lbs. torque @ 1,800 - 2,600 rpm. Which would be sufficient for my needs.


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I like the sport grill. Had one in the 500SEC and always loved it.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

In my humble Mercedes-Benz non-gas owner opinion, I have always carried a strong belief that the trademark 3 pointed star, only belongs in the model grilles of exclusively S-Class models; 380/450/500/550/560/600 - SEC/CL/SL & S Class MBs!


The cheezy (IMO) grille-kits that started showing-up in 4-door C-Class MBs, in the late '90s, to me were so cheapening of the awesome tri-star trademark symbol that said; "This is a powerful, S-Class V8 from Mercedes-Benz." A 4-cylinder C-Class sedan, is not all that to get excited about 13 years ago.

That is all......

Pre 1990 Mercedes have REAL bumpers, not plastic "please hit me so the local body shop can make a lot of $$$$ bumpers". They also don't have a sh** load of computers to go out to the tune of big $$$$$$. I would rather have an older mercedes and go completely through it replacing all the rubber components than deal with the new plastic bumpered over-priced computerized trouble machines. The local transmission shop guy told me that if someone spills coffee down the shift console of a new mercedes it can cause an electrical problem. who needs it?

Most pre-1990 US-market cars had "real" bumpers, since cars had to survive a 5 mph crash without significant damage. Some time around 1990, the law was changed to 2.5 mph.

Interestingly, the foreign versions of the same cars usually had much smaller bumpers.

I have a theory why the CDI seems to generate better MPG numbers than the Bluetec. On the surface the Bluetec would appear likely to be better - it is smaller displacement (3.0 liters vs. 3.2) and has that ridiculous 722.9 overdrive (1800RPM @ 70MPH).

However, one of the strategies MB engineers use to control NoX emissions on the Bluetec is to reduce the compression ratio. It is very low for a diesel - 16.5:1. I can't seem to find the CR for the OM648, but would expect it to be at least 20:1, perhaps higher. A higher compression ratio extracts more mechnical work from a given quantity of air & fuel. Here's a quote I stole from Wikipedia:

Here's a link to an article describing the OM642: http://www.rbmpartsnews.com/articles/Bluetec/

Just in case that burning issue was keeping anyone up at night.

Going from memory, I seem to recall the MB 4-cylinder diesel cars my Mom and Dad bought new in the 1960s through the 1970s, stated their engine compression as 22 to 1.

I was a dealership (not just MB) brochure collector and specifications reading youngster and teenager in the 1960s/1970s.

Higher compression ratio == higher BTUs/efficiency, right? If that's true, then that would contribute to better/higher mpg.

I am still thinking that the low RPM - high torque range of the 3.2 liter / I6 / CDI, COUPLED with a low numerical rear end gear ratio, may also account for the outstanding E320 I6 CDI mpg. The I6 propels the CDI 0-60 in the 7-second range - so these are not slow cars off the line.

The 2005 E320 CDI (5) of them as I recall, were run at the speed of 145 +/- mph in a relay type of sequence around the clock at the Goodyear Tire Company test track facility located near Laredo, Texas to complete some sort of miles run endurance record/challenge in 2005 or 2006, by Mercedes-Benz Germany - so these are cars unmodified except for their engine governors, that achieve high speed too!

Brian Carlton could probably look at the numbers/specifications and help identify the differences in why the 3.2 Liter I6 CDI sedans produce such good mpg numbers - versus the 3.0 V6 Bluetec sedans.......?