How many people killed by drunk drivers as compared to firearms deaths? If you are not a hypocrite and believe in public safety, you should be chasing the biggest killer, but the lefts idea about gun control is not guns, its about control.

And if you really cared about human life, you would be in favor of banning cigarettes and alcohol.

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We tried banning alcohol once. It didn't work out so well.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

A lot more people are killed by cars than guns? You sure about that? Or did you just make it up?

American Gun Deaths to Exceed Traffic Fatalities by 2015 - Bloomberg

Check out those statistics. In about 2 years gun related deaths will MATCH then PASS vehicle related fatalities. I'm sure the gun huggers of america will come up with some illogical reason why this is however.

Fact remains, the USA is obsessed with guns, and too many people think they "need" them. I knew someone recently who went out and bought an automatic weapon to "protect themselves from North Korea"....bringing yet another gun into the low-IQ range of society.

Amazing how countries around the world with strict laws on guns have much lower annual gun related deaths. I'm sure its not at all because there's so many fewer people with them. That would just not make sense...

Since only the 1970's, over 1 MILLION US citizens have died from gun related violence. a MILLION.

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'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
'16 E400 4matic Sedan - 148k - Brothers (OC-155k)

That must be one, WELL TUNED crystal ball.

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Annoy a Liberal, Read the Constitution

How many people has the US government killed since the 70s?

I question the value of those predictions. In my travels I see more and more "drivers" yapping on cell phones, eating, drinking, smoking, and otherwise failing to devote their full attention to the operation of the vehicle. If this trend continues, and I think it will, then traffic deaths are going to start going up again. I also don't agree with including suicides in the gun statistics, since those deaths are neither criminal nor accidental in nature.

You mean to tell us that this person went through the extensive application process and background check, paid the $200 tax, agreed to the 24/7/365 security and inspection requirements and went out and paid five figures (or more) for a BATFE Class III weapon? Or did they buy a semiautomatic weapon?

People in those countries still get stabbed, beaten to death, and blown up. Taking away guns doesn't take away criminals or crime.

Would you feel better if they had been pushed out of windows?

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

What a load of crap. Do you even understand what you wrote or what you read? Obsession, clinging, proper argument? Is the horse worth more than the horse****? What is intent anyway and what did it have to do with the price of apples in Orange County?

thats some good **** your smokin!

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have no worries.....President Obama swears "If you like your gun, you can keep it

Who says that I'm not?

calm down man, take a breath. Why do people get so worked up about stuff like this?

I understand exactly what I read, and exactly why it is a silly metaphor (and you?). Intent is just one reason why it is false--a gun is designed to inflict damage a target, a car is designed to transport something from one point to another, please prove me wrong. A paper target is going to be damaged by a gun, and a 185mph car is still going to be transporting something from A to B. We have venues to exploit each. Those venues, logically, are not the same nor set up the same way, nor legislated the same.

Regarding argument, you might have missed some folks defending the op's validity. A false metaphor is something that does not compare two things logically. You seem to be suggesting that it's a perfectly logical comparison. Bigger question is why? I don't even have a dog in the fight, I'm just pointing out how silly of a metaphor it is. Its certainly not worth getting as worked up as your post above.

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To steer this a little less angrily, we need better safe handling of firearms. I've seen many people who don't understand "every gun is always loaded", muzzle awareness, proper storage, keep the safety on/finger off until you're sighted, etc. My 'gun nut' friends are the safest owners I know. The casual owners can be terrifying, keeping them chambered and sitting behind the door, etc.

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After a bunch of girls were killed by a complete nut case in Montreal about 20 years ago, the federal government came up with a gun registry program. Because I'm a hunter I registered my stuff. Part of the program was also about safe storage so I bought a gun safe.
Hand guns remained restricted as before and some stuff is still banned as it always was. Full auto and some AR's come to mind.

So, fast forward 20+ years and the registry is gone. All I need is a free licence that's renewed every 5 years. The application weeds out potential problem types and those who probably shouldn't own fire arms. Never, during all of those years, did the cops pound on my door asking to see paper work or my gun safe - the gun nuts said it would but it never happened. As far as I know, no one lost their stuff unless they did something wrong or got a criminal conviction.

Gun deaths are far less here in Canada than the US. Crimes done with hand guns are on the rise here in large cities and almost all of those guns are smuggled in from the States.
Fact is, give people guns and they tend to use them. Add a bunch of paranoid, RWNJ types to the mix and that number may go up. Add the idea that you need to protect yourself from your own government ( as if you really could ) and that number might go up. Add no background checks and a free flow of arms to anyone with money and the number will go up.

You have the problem. It's up to you you to fix it.

The difference between Canada and America is that Canada has always danced with the Queen of England (and another part of Canada preferred ants in their pants), America dropped that dance-card back in the 1770s...and kicked the English in the arses, again, in the 1810s.

But, enough of the past.

The forefathers KNEW what could happen to their new-found freedom if a booberment could control their ability to protect themselves from the booberment they had elected if said booberment decided it was more important than those that elected it.

It's the ULITIMATE EQUALIZER...just like Congress, the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branches SHOULD BE.

But, when one decides it's better than the other two, the fourth party in all of this is the one left to straighten out all three.

The forefathers made sure it was possible.

And some of us are here today to be sure the rest of us are aware of our responsiblilities when the C,E and J decide they don't need to listen and adhere to those rules anymore.

That's why "USA" doesn't stand-for/mean "United Subservients of America.

That's why we have a border between Canada and the USA. We don't/can't take our handguns into Canada. Now, do you want to let the rest of us know if Canadians (who are "allowed" handguns) are able to bring their weapons into the USA? If YOU can't, then the anti-gun-nutballs are winning...denial-by-denial.

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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ~ Yogi Berra ~

The philosophical belief held by pro-gun folks that somehow the 2nd will protect the rights of an armed uprising of the citizenry defending themselves form a tyrannical gubermet is a myth. Do you seriously think people can march up to some political office with guns drawn demanding change, or else????

That would sooner be conceived as a threat (verses a peaceful demonstration by unarmed people), and I’m willing to bet the gubermet would unleash a serious ****e storm. The organizers of the armed rally would be classified a radical group in short order, and the media would demonize them with a barrage of “investigative” coverage detailing the group’s “unhinged” beliefs. The rest of the sheep would believe that these folks are truly radicals (even if they were in the right), and in effect the uprising to protect these folks from the gubermet’s tyranny would be a death sentence.

Present day US is so far detached from the founding fathers’ vision, that even if they were around I’m guessing they would hardly recognize the political landscape. And for those believing the 2nd is essential to protect freedom, well that’s a fool’s idiom. Fact is, individual freedoms are infringed upon daily and most people could care less. Those dumb enough to try an armed revolt will be turned to cannon fodder in short order. Just ask the Branch Davidians or other similar groups how this worked out for them.

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