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Old 05-14-2013, 08:19 PM
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Or we could believe otherwise

One of these conflicts Henrick describes as ideological. At Stanford University, for example, a training manual advises sexual assault fact-finders that "persuasive and logical" statements by the accused should be interpreted as a sign of guilt.

"In the former Soviet Union, defendants were often denied legal counsel, freedom of speech was a legal fiction, and protestations of innocence were taken as evidence of guilt," notes SAVE spokesperson Sheryle Hutter. "Now we are seeing a similar form of totalitarian justice, imposed by federal fiat on American universities in the name of curbing sexual assault."

To date, over 110 editorials have criticized the Department of Education policy (4). Thirteen national organizations, including the American Association for University Professors, have called for repeal of the federal mandate (5).


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Wendy Kaminer, a self-described civil libertarian feminist, explained what's wrong with that policy: "Generally, the [Department of Education's] letter displays much more concern for the sensitivities of accusers over the rights of the accused. Schools should, for example, separate complainants and alleged perpetrators while investigations are pending, and in doing so, they should 'minimize the burden on the complainant.' Why not also minimize the burden on the alleged perpetrator? The Obama administration, like the administrations of so many colleges and universities, implicitly approaches sexual harassment and sexual violence cases with a presumption of guilt."


Remember Hofstra?
The only falsely accused young man who was a student at Hofstra was immediately suspended and banned from campus. Another of the young man was immediately fired from his job. The men received death threats. Jail guards badgered, pushed and shoved at least one of the men. The men's families were harassed.

The only reason the false accuser recanted was because she learned that one of the young men had videotaped the sordid event.
More senseless tripe.

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Old 05-14-2013, 09:25 PM
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More senseless tripe.
So is hearsay evidence.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:39 PM
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Send your sons to a university. Trying to make it today without a good formal education is like trying to prevail on a battlefield of artillery using only a butterknife.
Don't look now but a college degree can easily be an expensive white elephant these days. Good for training to work at Starbucks anyway.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:49 PM
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It can also be an open door to a lot of great meaningful jobs that you wouldn't get otherwise. Depends on the student.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:32 PM
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It can also be an open door to a lot of great meaningful jobs that you wouldn't get otherwise. Depends on the student.
Give that man a graduate degree!
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:39 PM
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Obama Administration Scraps Free Speech

It appears that way. Just another reason I hope my son's are able to succeed in life without having to go to a university.
Seems like the same sort of playing field they will be on in the workplace after graduation.

Nobody's free speech has been suspended, just the bar has been lowered for sanctioning by Universities.

I believe that TBO may have hit a valid point as well. If you do not hang with the drunk crowd, your likelihood of being accused diminish greatly.

Send the boy's if they want to go, but educate them about the dangers of running with the fast crowd.
Being a victim of false accusation doesn't only happen at University though....
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:46 PM
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Being a victim of false accusation doesn't only happen at University though....
Like the celebrities, that's why you always video tape your escapades in the bedroom.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:53 PM
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Like the celebrities, that's why you always video tape your escapades in the bedroom.
I destroyed my Kardashian tapes....
The paternity liabilities alone... not to mention the street cred had all but evaporated.
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Seems like the same sort of playing field they will be on in the workplace after graduation.

Nobody's free speech has been suspended, just the bar has been lowered for sanctioning by Universities.

I believe that TBO may have hit a valid point as well. If you do not hang with the drunk crowd, your likelihood of being accused diminish greatly.

Send the boy's if they want to go, but educate them about the dangers of running with the fast crowd.
Being a victim of false accusation doesn't only happen at University though....
No- university rules are not like the workplace. If they were then there would be no need for the thread now would there?
I don't think the Hofstra accused ran with the "fast crowd"- maybe they did- but they were guilty first until proven innocent. Is it a crime to run with the "fast crowd" so that we need to make them guilty first, innocence must be proven?
Is this problem so bad that we need to pervert the most basic tenet of our justice system?

As far as running with the fast crowd I could come back with if the woman didn't wear such a low cut dress your likelihood of being accused diminish greatly.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:25 PM
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So is hearsay evidence.
Here's some PC logic...
"If you don't know where you're going, you might end up some place else."
"I really didn't say everything I said."
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:14 AM
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No- university rules are not like the workplace. If they were then there would be no need for the thread now would there?
I don't think the Hofstra accused ran with the "fast crowd"- maybe they did- but they were guilty first until proven innocent. Is it a crime to run with the "fast crowd" so that we need to make them guilty first, innocence must be proven?
Is this problem so bad that we need to pervert the most basic tenet of our justice system?

As far as running with the fast crowd I could come back with if the woman didn't wear such a low cut dress your likelihood of being accused diminish greatly.
Yes they are. Maybe you haven't worked for Corporate America in a while....
The standard for sexual harrassment is pretty f**king low. (even my deliberate misspelling could get you canned)

Seems like you are blurring the lines between University actions and the law.
It's not like they are imprisoning people, just sanctioning behavior that is not acceptable in that environment.
In the real world, you can call a woman a c**t all you want, not against the law. In the university setting, it is unacceptable, and can get you tossed.

It would seem that with the sheer number of assaults on campus, that the problem is pretty bad.

I believe the girl in the super low cut dress is part of the fast crowd....
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:15 AM
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Here's some PC logic...
"If you don't know where you're going, you might end up some place else."
"I really didn't say everything I said."
"90% of the game is half mental."
Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded....
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:39 AM
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I presented a unbiased link about the exact subject interviewing a top expert in the field which refuted your view. Keep your standards low- it's off to "ignore" you go. You've repeatedly proven you are not worth speaking to.

Jim B- did I use them correctly this time? Does your earlier critique mean it's okay to be critical of anyone with minor spelling and/or grammatical errors? I'll be looking forward to your future b!tch slaps on those folks- those that both agree and disagree with you politically, right? I'll also guess that it only takes once instance for you to assume someone is ignorant; since that is what you've done.
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Maybe your sons will learn to use the apostrophe correctly, (when and if they go to college), something you have evidently failed to learn.
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