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Mike D · #31 06-07-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, I had to qualify my opinion by telling you that I wasn't one of those guys sitting in their underwear typing away.

As much as I can get away with. If I am working late at my office and nobody is there, I get to drop the pants and walk around in comfort after I lock the door from the inside.

Note to self, bring own chair if invited to business meeting with aklim.

aklim · #32 06-07-2013, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Cops' job shouldn't be to protect people from themselves, only from the violence of others. Suicide and/or placing oneself at great risk should be a g-d given right rather than a crime.

Just thought of this before going to work.

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Dear Dad and Mom,

I want you to lay off me. I am an independent individual and can make my own choices. From now on, I want the right to choose without your interference. I am an adult and can make my own choices without your help.

BTW, if those choices result in a bad situation and I need to be bailed out, where can I send the bills?

Love
Your son/daughter

t walgamuth · #33 06-07-2013, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Note to self, bring own chair if invited to business meeting with aklim.

Diesel911 · #34 06-07-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

All I can say is that if the father took his rage and grief out on the cop at some time in the future, and I ended up on the jury, I'd probably not vote to convict.

That of course would be a different issue.

This is not in response to what yo said but someone mentioned that that the Father had the right to risk is life if He wanted to.
But, then it occured to Me this morning that except in some States where you have a Terminal Medical Condition you don't have the right to Kill yourself.

And, in the States that allow the above there was years of court battles that went through.

Now running into a burning Building is not exactly Killing yourself but a person is exposed to a lot of Toxic Fumes and the heat alone can seer your Lungs and you do not even need to be in the room where the Fire is for that to happen.

When there was a Fire in My House some of the Plastic stuff melted even though it was on the other side of the House. So there was no Flames there but the hot Air melted them.
Since your Bodily Fluids are Salty and have some other Chemicals in Your Bodily Fluids would have them boil at higher than 212 degrees F.
But, certainly even a Lung Full of 300 degree Air is going to cause damage.

spdrun · #35 06-07-2013, 12:44 PM

I think the issue in the case of a medical condition is different -- ASSISTED suicide. I.e. whether someone can help a person of sound mind and ill body kill themselves without legal repercussions.

Diesel911 · #36 06-07-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

What a convoluted mess. I suppose with enough mindfawks around, one can rationalize most anything.

I am not sure what your point is with this comment.
Life is convoluted and things often turn to S**t and the ending is often not much better; no secret there.

And, why can't the situation be rationalzed?

In general for Myself I think People have to do what they think is right. They also have to take the responsibility for the results of what they do.
So you have the Father that is supposed to protect his Family and wanted to do that (maybe that is a Caveman thing).

You have the Police Officer who is supposed keep someone else from becoming a Victim and at the same time keep the Firemen/Women from having to risk their lives looking for 2 Victims instead of one.
Both did what the though was best.

Maybe after some of the facts of the Fire come out the Father will realize the Police Officer saved His life.

BobK · #37 06-07-2013, 01:11 PM

other factors:
#father probably knows last location of child. Also knows layout of house even in dark (and has stubbed toes to prove it).
# smoke can knock you out and kill you easily.
#in a smoke filled house, you often literally cannot see your hand in front of your face. Usually you just see a dull glow from what is really a fairly bright fire through the smoke.
#it all depends on the fire, the smoke, your knowledge of the layout, and luck.

And I would always rather enter a burning structure with full bunker gear and breathing apparatus. Been there, done that.

Diesel911 · #38 06-07-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

other factors:
#father probably knows last location of child. Also knows layout of house even in dark (and has stubbed toes to prove it).
# smoke can knock you out and kill you easily.
#in a smoke filled house, you often literally cannot see your hand in front of your face. Usually you just see a dull glow from what is really a fairly bright fire through the smoke.
#it all depends on the fire, the smoke, your knowledge of the layout, and luck.

And I would always rather enter a burning structure with full bunker gear and breathing apparatus. Been there, done that.

In general do you think the Poliece Officer did the right thing by keeping the Father out of the Building?

aklim · #39 06-07-2013, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

Note to self, bring own chair if invited to business meeting with aklim.

Or if you visit my house. Only difference is I haven't had sex on the office furniture. YET! But the day is young.

aklim · #40 06-07-2013, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

And, why can't the situation be rationalzed?

In general for Myself I think People have to do what they think is right. They also have to take the responsibility for the results of what they do.

Maybe after some of the facts of the Fire come out the Father will realize the Police Officer saved His life.

Personally, I am not a fan of rationalization. I can accept my lying to anybody EXCEPT to my self. Why? Lying to yourself will end up hurting you. If someone is too weak to accept the hard facts without trying to find some excuse, I suppose.

Ah, but there is the issue. Do they take responsibility? Are they able to? If so, I would agree with you. If your issue cannot affect me, play ball. OTOH, if you ask me to cosign a loan for you and I can be held liable if you default, well, I have the right to make terms and conditions. Much like Obama could fire the CEO of GM.

I believe it was said by Shakespeare "The evil that men do lives after them;The good is oft interrèd with their bones". Or "No good deed goes unpunished" is another favorite of mine.

aklim · #41 06-07-2013, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

And I would always rather enter a burning structure with full bunker gear and breathing apparatus. Been there, done that.

Haven't been there, haven't done that. My instinct is to run away from the burning structure and not into it. If it can be avoided, I would avoid it.

aklim · #42 06-07-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

In general do you think the Poliece Officer did the right thing by keeping the Father out of the Building?

Right and wrong is pretty subjective, no? I'd say he did what he was obligated to do. Lower the victim count and not put another victim out there for the fire crews.

davidmash · #43 06-07-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

All I can say is that if the father took his rage and grief out on the cop at some time in the future, and I ended up on the jury, I'd probably not vote to convict.

Let me see if I can work up a surprised look.

OK, here we go.

aklim · #44 06-07-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BobK

other factors:
#father probably knows last location of child. Also knows layout of house even in dark (and has stubbed toes to prove it).
# smoke can knock you out and kill you easily.
#in a smoke filled house, you often literally cannot see your hand in front of your face. Usually you just see a dull glow from what is really a fairly bright fire through the smoke.
#it all depends on the fire, the smoke, your knowledge of the layout, and luck.

And I would always rather enter a burning structure with full bunker gear and breathing apparatus. Been there, done that.

You forgot "Emotionally compromised"

davidmash · #45 06-07-2013, 05:30 PM

Something else to consider. The fire department was called to the scene. When they get on site, if there is a possibility for them to enter and conduct a rescue they will do so. Had the father been in the building then they would have had to effect 2 rescues, not just one. These are the guys who run in to the face of danger. Is it fair to have them place their life at risk more then they have too?

Also, not that the cop knew or did not know, but the father would have left a widow and his other child without a father.

As others have said, it sucks all the way around, but it seems the fathers actions would have affected more than just him.