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Old 06-07-2013, 05:16 PM
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And, why can't the situation be rationalzed?

In general for Myself I think People have to do what they think is right. They also have to take the responsibility for the results of what they do.

Maybe after some of the facts of the Fire come out the Father will realize the Police Officer saved His life.
Personally, I am not a fan of rationalization. I can accept my lying to anybody EXCEPT to my self. Why? Lying to yourself will end up hurting you. If someone is too weak to accept the hard facts without trying to find some excuse, I suppose.

Ah, but there is the issue. Do they take responsibility? Are they able to? If so, I would agree with you. If your issue cannot affect me, play ball. OTOH, if you ask me to cosign a loan for you and I can be held liable if you default, well, I have the right to make terms and conditions. Much like Obama could fire the CEO of GM.

I believe it was said by Shakespeare "The evil that men do lives after them;The good is oft interrèd with their bones". Or "No good deed goes unpunished" is another favorite of mine.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:44 AM
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I think the cop did the right thing, as the chance of the father making it back out alive would have been very slim. I'm also glad I wasn't the cop on the scene, since I don't know what I would do in that situation, and would probably feel very bad either way.
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Old 06-07-2013, 06:55 AM
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Clearly a bad situation with no good choices. No need for a bunch of guys sitting in their underwear at their computers second guessing him with some small part of the information he had to make a decision in .26 seconds.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:33 AM
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Cleary a bad situation with no good choices. No need for a bunch of guys sitting in their underwear at their computers second guessing him with some small part of the information he had to make a decision in .26 seconds.
When at home and at the computer, I sit naked.
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:36 AM
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When at home and at the computer, I sit naked.
Oh, thanks for that!

What, just at home?
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:39 AM
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Oh, thanks for that!

What, just at home?
Well, I had to qualify my opinion by telling you that I wasn't one of those guys sitting in their underwear typing away.

As much as I can get away with. If I am working late at my office and nobody is there, I get to drop the pants and walk around in comfort after I lock the door from the inside.
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Well, I had to qualify my opinion by telling you that I wasn't one of those guys sitting in their underwear typing away.

As much as I can get away with. If I am working late at my office and nobody is there, I get to drop the pants and walk around in comfort after I lock the door from the inside.
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Old 06-07-2013, 05:30 PM
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Something else to consider. The fire department was called to the scene. When they get on site, if there is a possibility for them to enter and conduct a rescue they will do so. Had the father been in the building then they would have had to effect 2 rescues, not just one. These are the guys who run in to the face of danger. Is it fair to have them place their life at risk more then they have too?

Also, not that the cop knew or did not know, but the father would have left a widow and his other child without a father.

As others have said, it sucks all the way around, but it seems the fathers actions would have affected more than just him.
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More times than not, when children are involved, the one that's most in trouble will be the one ALOT OF FOLKS will go after to save.

Eight kids and seven are safe outside? Where the one missing??? (Now, ALL THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE ONE NOT THERE.)

Yep, dad may have lost it, forgot about the others already there and decided to "one-finger-salute" the cop on site.

Now, how many know what the cop was thinking about?

And, at least in this town (La Crosse), if a cop pulls out and fires a Tazer...that cop goes through the same amount of BS as if he had pulled out his service revolver and planted a few warning shots into a fleeing suspect.

He didn't Tazer the dude for fun...he did it because, at least someone, on site, still had there head on their shoulders and wasn't being an a55hat.

The only problem now?

The cop's gotta' be wondering if Dad has him in HIS crosshairs because he prevented him from "saving his son's life."

This story is going to be filler material for some up-coming slow-news days...
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Old 06-07-2013, 08:02 PM
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More times than not, when children are involved, the one that's most in trouble will be the one ALOT OF FOLKS will go after to save.

Eight kids and seven are safe outside? Where the one missing??? (Now, ALL THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE ONE NOT THERE.)

Yep, dad may have lost it, forgot about the others already there and decided to "one-finger-salute" the cop on site.

Now, how many know what the cop was thinking about?

And, at least in this town (La Crosse), if a cop pulls out and fires a Tazer...that cop goes through the same amount of BS as if he had pulled out his service revolver and planted a few warning shots into a fleeing suspect.

He didn't Tazer the dude for fun...he did it because, at least someone, on site, still had there head on their shoulders and wasn't being an a55hat.

The only problem now?

The cop's gotta' be wondering if Dad has him in HIS crosshairs because he prevented him from "saving his son's life."

This story is going to be filler material for some up-coming slow-news days...
Its not often I get to agree with Mburg but I do on this one!
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:22 AM
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More times than not, when children are involved, the one that's most in trouble will be the one ALOT OF FOLKS will go after to save.

Eight kids and seven are safe outside? Where the one missing??? (Now, ALL THOUGHTS ARE ABOUT THE ONE NOT THERE.)

Yep, dad may have lost it, forgot about the others already there and decided to "one-finger-salute" the cop on site.

Now, how many know what the cop was thinking about?

And, at least in this town (La Crosse), if a cop pulls out and fires a Tazer...that cop goes through the same amount of BS as if he had pulled out his service revolver and planted a few warning shots into a fleeing suspect.

He didn't Tazer the dude for fun...he did it because, at least someone, on site, still had there head on their shoulders and wasn't being an a55hat.

The only problem now?

The cop's gotta' be wondering if Dad has him in HIS crosshairs because he prevented him from "saving his son's life."

This story is going to be filler material for some up-coming slow-news days...
Maybe after some investigation of the Fire the Fire Investigator needs to sit down with Dad or even do a walk through of the Site with Dad and explain just how destructive Fire really is.
If He really had 7 other Kids they defiantly did not need to have one of their Siblings die and the Father to.
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Maybe after some investigation of the Fire the Fire Investigator needs to sit down with Dad or even do a walk through of the Site with Dad and explain just how destructive Fire really is.
If He really had 7 other Kids they defiantly did not need to have one of their Siblings die and the Father to.
Hey...I just said "8" as an example...don't take my written word as fact on that...I was just pointing out that parents will do a "head count" and when one is identified as "not safe" - logic goes out the window.

Here's another example...

The one "missing" is 18yo. Mom/Dad have great expectations for the 18yo. Now, if the 15yo is standing outside and they all know that the last time anyone knew anything, the 18yo was in the house with them before the mayhem started.

NO PARENT WANTS TO BE ALIVE AND HAVING TO BURY THEIR OWN KID(S).

Simple fact. We've all seen it, to some extent...

I don't like it any more than the next parent. It's not right.

With that said...
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