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Old 06-06-2013, 03:20 PM
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More police bad judgement

Father tazed for trying to save 8 month old son trapped in burning house.


Father Tazed For Attempting To Save 8 Month Old Baby Son In House Fire - Infant Son Dies In Fire - YouTube!

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On the one hand, the rational part of me says that the cop may have saved the father's life. On the other, the emotional part of me wishes the the cop will get rear-ended in an older Crown Victoria for taking away even an 0.01% chance that the kid would live. Don't know which side to listen to here.
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Considering all the interactions that police officers throughout the country have daily . . . are the OP's subject posts du jour suggesting that there's a pattern?
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I like to think that I would be that intent on saving the life of my son. I think it would take a tazer to keep me from giving it a shot.
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What would the headline have been if the police stood idly by while the father, presumably without any fire protection gear or breathing apparatus, ran into the house and died with his child? What would you have done?
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If the news media does the job they should do, this is a name you will hear soon.
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:38 PM
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If the news media does the job they should do, this is a name you will hear soon.
And how, pray tell, does this relate in any way whatsoever to this thread?
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And how, pray tell, does this relate in any way whatsoever to this thread?
I believe that Larry is suggesting that Carter Hull be tazed by officers....
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What would the headline have been if the police stood idly by while the father, presumably without any fire protection gear or breathing apparatus, ran into the house and died with his child? What would you have done?
How is that the point? Who cares what the newspaper writes?

The issue here is the right of a law-abiding citizen to make a choice about potentially sacrificing their own life to save another.

Would you feel the same if the tot had been in a raging river heading for a waterfall? Stop the parent from jumping in to try and save their child?

Granted, it's a no-win situation for the cop, but only because he made it so. He could very easily have just turned his back for ten seconds to check something out and if it came out bad he could have then said the guy ran in when his back was turned. No one would have faulted him for that. Instead, he forced the situation and then used force to ensure that he was "right" and that protocol was strictly followed.

As the thread title suggests, it's bad judgment, and I'd agree with that.
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I believe that Larry is suggesting that Carter Hull be tazed by officers....
Works for me.
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On the one hand, the rational part of me says that the cop may have saved the father's life. On the other, the emotional part of me wishes the the cop will get rear-ended in an older Crown Victoria for taking away even an 0.01% chance that the kid would live. Don't know which side to listen to here.
As my college First Aid class instructor would tell me, better one dead than 2. My math instructors also tell me that 2 is greater number than 1.
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The issue here is the right of a law-abiding citizen to make a choice about potentially sacrificing their own life to save another.

Would you feel the same if the tot had been in a raging river heading for a waterfall? Stop the parent from jumping in to try and save their child?

Granted, it's a no-win situation for the cop, but only because he made it so. He could very easily have just turned his back for ten seconds to check something out and if it came out bad he could have then said the guy ran in when his back was turned. No one would have faulted him for that. Instead, he forced the situation and then used force to ensure that he was "right" and that protocol was strictly followed.

As the thread title suggests, it's bad judgment, and I'd agree with that.
The key phrase is to "TRY" save his son. Odds of him getting out alive with the son alive is pretty slim given he has no training, equipment or calm detachment from the situation.

Fire. drowning, what's the difference? The principle is the same. If you are going to stop him from running into a blazing building, what is the difference between that and another case?

I think you have been watching too many rogue cop movies where the cop lies for the "right reasons". If you are asking a cop to lie "THIS ONE TIME" what about the next time or is the pass handed out on a "case by case" basis? Where do you draw the line for a cop to lie on his report? Are you going to say that he can lie if you agree with the reason? Are you saying he can be derelict in performing his duty for the "right" reasons, whatever and whomever defines what "right" is?

I'm going to disagree with that and the drama the clown tried to create after the salient information was given by the news channel.
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The key phrase is to "TRY" save his son. Odds of him getting out alive with the son alive is pretty slim given he has no training, equipment or calm detachment from the situation.

Fire. drowning, what's the difference? The principle is the same. If you are going to stop him from running into a blazing building, what is the difference between that and another case?

I think you have been watching too many rogue cop movies where the cop lies for the "right reasons". If you are asking a cop to lie "THIS ONE TIME" what about the next time or is the pass handed out on a "case by case" basis? Where do you draw the line for a cop to lie on his report? Are you going to say that he can lie if you agree with the reason? Are you saying he can be derelict in performing his duty for the "right" reasons, whatever and whomever defines what "right" is?

I'm going to disagree with that and the drama the clown tried to create after the salient information was given by the news channel.
Who said I was asking him to lie? If he turns his back and the guy runs in, he's not lying, he didn't see him go.

I agree with you in the cold light of day that the guy probably would have died. But it was certain his son was going to, and if he wanted to roll those dice, it's not the responsibility of you, I, the cop or society to tell him otherwise. We're not him; we don't have the right to substitute our judgment and values for his.
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I could not watch the Video so I don‘t know if the Baby died in the Fire or not.

From what you Guys have said the Father did what he thought was best.

The Police Officer/Cop did His or Her Job and prevented the Father from also becoming a Victim.

Psychologically if the Father is better off the way it happened; had obeyed the Police Officer He would have blamed Himself for the rest of life for the Death of the Baby.

So the Father did what He though was right got tazed and now instead of blaming Himself for the death of the Baby can blame the Police. The Father now has nothing to feel guilty about.

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