You're prepared to lose your farm huh? If you want to keep it, don't make that bet.

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So its not a religious function?

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

I don't think separate but equal will withstand constitutional muster.

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- With out god, life is everything.
- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

I'd kinda like to hear Larry's philosophy of law in general. He's one of the most law and order guys on here but I've never heard him elaborate on his theory of law. Are laws arbitrary? Are they rooted in reason? Are they rooted in will? Should national laws reflect divine law? Do humans have legitimate authority to legislate? Why should we follow the law? What is the relationship between law and morality?

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Is it "you shall not kill" or "you shall not murder?"

So, you are giving me an assignment?

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No. You're awful quick to call people who have different values than you 'immoral' and you are always arguing for following the law so I'm curious as to how that all fits together in your mind. So for instance, why do you think gay sex is immoral and how does the morality or immorality of our actions relate to what the law should allow/forbid? Or to put it another way, how would a moral system that encourages gay sex and permits legal gay marriage be construed by you?

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1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Gay sex, adulterous sex, premarital sex, ..... They are ALL immoral. Why is that difficult to understand?

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Now for the $64,000 question: How many of those activities have you engaged in? How many of the values that you attempt to inflict upon others reflect a do-as-I say-not-as-I-do philosophy?

I have never engaged in ANY of them.

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That's a pretty narrow range of things to be immoral. But I wasn't asking about your particular judgments about what is immoral but rather what makes them immoral? I thought the sentence, "Why do you think gay sex is immoral"" was pretty clear.

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1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Seems like I remember in the past your writings indicating that you had read the Bible. Maybe I'm wrong.

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Do I take that to mean that you believe that all things morally forbidden in the Bible and all things morally required in the Bible is the measure of morality?

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1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

weak sauce, as they say.

So here's a small set of moral rules from the Bible. Do you accept them all?

No gay sex.
No sex with women when menstruating.
No private ownership of land.
All debts forgiven every 49 yrs.
Kill your son.
Execute rebellious teenagers.
Don't eat pork.
Don't cut the corners of your beard.
Cut the testicles off your conquered enemies.
No lying.
No stealing.
Impregnate your widowed sister in law.
Don't eat shellfish.
Don't work on Saturdays.
Only worship the god of your tribe.
Don't let women speak in church.

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1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13