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Air&Road · #**136** 04-13-2014, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Watching Issa capriciously end a hearing that's not going the way he wants it to and then turning off Elijah Cummings' microphone is all the proof anybody ought to need that he's a real CLASS ACT.

Anyone unable to see Cummings political agenda in that exchange is either naive or hopelessly zealous of the democrat party.

cmbdiesel · #**137** 04-13-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

But alas, during the same time, left group approval took around 90 days.

I do not believe this assertion to be factual

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Somebody woke up alright when they saw how jacked the electorate became and Nancy lost her job and a good slice into the Senate....The frightening issue for Obama IRS was these applications were growing and public sentiment for the admin was quickly failing. With a presidential in 2012 it was Defcon 1 at 1600.

So you admit that purpose of these groups is political??? Then they, by definition, should be excluded from 501(c) status.

Your argument is the standard circular-partisan double-speak. On one hand you claim that these groups were singled out because they would have helped the right in the political arena, and that such singling out was unfair.
But, if these groups purpose is political then they do not qualify for tax exempt status and deserved extra scrutiny...
And why do we suppose there was such an increase in the number of applications anyway??

This entire fiasco is so typical of the 'can't-see-the-forest-for-the-trees' bullshlt that our elected officials pull in a never ending stream.

In this case, neither side has spoken about examining the regulations and procedures for granting tax exempt status, but just wastes a bunch of time and our money pointing fingers and throwing stones at each other.
The criteria for tax exempt status needs to be well defined, and applications need to be examined thoroughly. IMHO, any group that engages in any political activity should be paying taxes, but because both sides are so caught up with their crooked PACs and underhanded funding methods, neither wants to upset the apple cart by looking deeper at the underlying problem.

cmac2012 · #**138** 04-13-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Anyone unable to see Cummings political agenda in that exchange is either naive or hopelessly zealous of the democrat party.

There is nothing wrong with having a political agenda. Show me a member of Congress who does not have one. The issue is fairness and respect for the process. Cummings made a good point - he referred to a colleague, saying how many people that individual represented and pointed out, in so many words, that Issa was not just disrespecting that individual, as well as Cummings, he was disrespecting the people that individual represented.

Issa's party is in the majority but that doesn't that running roughshod over the concept of debate and discussion is OK.

Issa is a piece of work. Cried like a baby when Ahnold beat him in the gubernatorial contest back when.

MS Fowler · #**139** 04-13-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

There is nothing wrong with having a political agenda. Show me a member of Congress who does not have one. The issue is fairness and respect for the process. Cummings made a good point - he referred to a colleague, saying how many people that individual represented and pointed out, in so many words, that Issa was not just disrespecting that individual, as well as Cummings, he was disrespecting the people that individual represented.

Issa's party is in the majority but that doesn't that running roughshod over the concept of debate and discussion is OK.

Issa is a piece of work. Cried like a baby when Ahnold beat him in the gubernatorial contest back when.

Where was that plea for "fairness" when, during the run up to the AHCA, republicans were explicitly excluded from the committees? What about the people they represented?
BOTH parties tend to be purely partisan. Don't accuse one of a lack of fairness if you shield the other one.

cmac2012 · #**140** 04-13-2014, 02:15 PM

That is a point, I never saw those on video. OTOH, I'm thinking it was probably well known that whatever it was, on that one anyway, they were against it (to quote Groucho Marx). I suppose Rs could say the same about dems.

Supposedly things were more civil and less blatantly partisan 40 and 50 years ago, speaking of the good old days.

MS Fowler · #**141** 04-13-2014, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

That is a point, I never saw those on video. OTOH, I'm thinking it was probably well known that whatever it was, on that one anyway, they were against it (to quote Groucho Marx). I suppose Rs could say the same about dems.

Supposedly things were more civil and less blatantly partisan 40 and 50 years ago, speaking of the good old days.

40 or 50 years ago, the Repubs were happy just to be included on the "A" list to parties. Dems ran everything, and Repubs "knew their place"., Then with the rise of Reagan, ( starting with "the speech" from the Goldwater campaign) they got "uppity", and now things aren't as pleasant as they used to be.
Of course, the dems of today are not the same as the dems of that era. I doubt that even so great a liberal as HHH would even be allowed to speak at a current dem convention.

Jorn · #**142** 04-13-2014, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

40 or 50 years ago, the Repubs were happy just to be included on the "A" list to parties. Dems ran everything, and Repubs "knew their place"., Then with the rise of Reagan, ( starting with "the speech" from the Goldwater campaign) they got "uppity", and now things aren't as pleasant as they used to be.
Of course, the dems of today are not the same as the dems of that era. I doubt that even so great a liberal as HHH would even be allowed to speak at a current dem convention.

Everyone moved further to the right, including democrats.

MS Fowler · #**143** 04-13-2014, 07:32 PM

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Everyone moved further to the right, including democrats.

We see that so differently that we can't even discuss it.

cmbdiesel · #**144** 04-14-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Where was that plea for "fairness" when, during the run up to the AHCA, republicans were explicitly excluded from the committees? What about the people they represented?
BOTH parties tend to be purely partisan. Don't accuse one of a lack of fairness if you shield the other one.

Unfortunately, much like our previous discussion of condescending names being applied to our elected representatives, your argument is based upon a 'You did it first' mentality....

It sure would be refreshing to see someone take issue with the behavior whenever it appears from either side, rather than presenting warped, retributive justifications.

I thought many of the ideas included during the mark-up period of AHCA were of republican origin.

Jorn · #**145** 04-14-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

We see that so differently that we can't even discuss it.

Why can't it be discussed?

JamesDean · #**146** 04-14-2014, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

Why can't it be discussed?

Cuz yall are too far one way or the other to see the other on the other side of the one way or another line.

Also.

FACT. Left wing related items should get instant IRS approval for tax free status.

FACT. Right wind related items should be subject to much scrutiny and investigations.

FACT. All lefties/liberals should get all the free stuff. and be tax free.

Obama is king. Long live the king. Unless reagan returns. then all bets are off and we seek guidance from Winston Churchill

Botnst · #**147** 04-14-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Unfortunately, much like our previous discussion of condescending names being applied to our elected representatives, your argument is based upon a 'You did it first' mentality....

It sure would be refreshing to see someone take issue with the behavior whenever it appears from either side, rather than presenting warped, retributive justifications.

I thought many of the ideas included during the mark-up period of AHCA were of republican origin.

You first.

Dudesky · #**148** 04-14-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

There is nothing wrong with having a political agenda. Show me a member of Congress who does not have one. The issue is fairness and respect for the process. Cummings made a good point - he referred to a colleague, saying how many people that individual represented and pointed out, in so many words, that Issa was not just disrespecting that individual, as well as Cummings, he was disrespecting the people that individual represented.

Issa's party is in the majority but that doesn't that running roughshod over the concept of debate and discussion is OK.

Issa is a piece of work. Cried like a baby when Ahnold beat him in the gubernatorial contest back when.

Don't you say...........

Botnst · #**149** 04-14-2014, 02:02 PM

How many votes separated Bush & Algore?

Dudesky · #**150** 04-14-2014, 02:08 PM

Enough to make a grown man cry.....