Personally I think colleges should be really hard to get into and terribly expensive. You should have to have parents with really deep pockets or your own trust fund. Everyone else can suck it.

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If someone cannot work and pay as they go to college, then perhaps they shouldn't go. If one can get an edu free from any Gov't. entity, more power to 'em.

What's gotten out-of-hand is private edu at all levels. They just name their figure as to what the traffic will bear. Many times they have a published tuition fee, then will negotiate down quickly upon request. One college that won't deal is St. Louis University in St. Louis, MO.

But then again, I don't feel that private edu is all that great, NOT WORTH THE MONEY, in the first place. If a student wants to achieve, they'll do it anywhere. The ones that don't probably won't regardless whether the edu being public or private.

Most of my edu was private, however, I'm a big believer in getting one's edu from IN STATE public edu.

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Agreed: I went to college at a private school, but I got a significant portion paid by financial aid since my family was somewhat hard up at the time. But if I were going to grad school, I'll probably end up going public, either in this country or abroad. Since I'm viewing it as professional school and would have enough money to go out on my own again after graduation, I'm not necessarily looking for prestige for the purpose of being hired by the best of the best.

The cost of the private Military Academy I attended in my high school and junior college years was ridiculous then in terms of dollars - and it's ridiculous now.

The experience prepared me big time for my working life as an adult in regards the discipline - however, it did NOTHING in the way of an advanced edu.

No, if I ever decide to attend law school, or petroleum engineering school, it will not be at a private edu. It will be @ the Univ. Texas or Oklahoma State Univ. or Oklahoma Univ. or for law school, practically anywhere but a private edu.

Just my experience.....

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Now is the time for a PETENG degree. I did mine at TAMU, MBA at TCU. Bet bet is to attend a school in the region where you plan to work, better alumni contacts and job networking. Of course the money aspect is important. But financial aid is there.

The whole original posts cracks me up, tuition is a small part of the cost. Fees and books are a lot more, especially at a public school. I learned all about financial aid by going private for my graduate degree.

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Sure. Be complicit in poisoning the planet more. Hopefully the government will relegate your so-called industry to the same place that PCBs and asbestos mining are now, in the next 20 years, and the real jobs to have will either be in power electrical engineering or nuclear.

Your industry is a relic of the last millennium, and the sooner it's given a shot in the arm, the better. And by "shot", I mean good 'ol Texan-style lethal injection.

Really?
I can't speak for other states, but resident tuition alone at AZ's three state Unis is 10K a year. Add books, lab fees, parking fees, all the other nickel and dime crap and living expenses whether in a dorm or off campus and you're looking at double that. What 19 year old possesses the skills to get a job that will pay him that kind of money?

When I first enrolled at ASU, tuition was 360 bucks a semester. Two weeks' tips waiting tables and I'd paid the semester's tuition. Another week and I had my books paid for. It's not quite that simple any more.

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1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

Really.......

If you want something - work for it - or, pay as you go to school. I know those are abstract concepts to some that seem to want everything free.

If you can't pay for your schooling, why would you expect someone else to pay for it?

Where I went to school, it now costs $30K+ a year. You can't afford it? Get a job and save for it, or, I guess you won't be there. Nor should anyone be there that can't pay the freight. Life isn't fair, but in America, it doesn't just take a lot (I've discovered) to succeed.

I had no say in the matter. In my case, my Mother and Father were such high achievers, they cash flowed everything for me and my (3) Brothers. Private, in state and out of state edu included. Did I get a better edu? NO! Am I prepared by my edu? You damm right I am! 39 yrs. later - I done OK. Thank you Mom and Dad!

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Thing is, the concept of govt investment is a good idea. However, the broad concept is it follows the australian model. The devil is in the details. They have proven recently that Solindra was a bad investment. Further to that, they have proved that they ignore inconvenient facts to run a political stunt. So, should we trust them with even bigger sums of money?

The strange concept is that you have proven to be a moron, come late to work, barely get your work done on a perfect day. Should I give you more responsibility and hope that you grow into it and life is good or should I keep you where you are and limit your responsibilities? This is assuming that for political reasons, I cannot fire you. My choice in that case would be to limit your potential for damage and not give you more chance to screw up. If you can't even do your accounting using GAAP and must use a Cash Basis accounting system, something is screwy.

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Assuming the system is only supported by a levy on incomes of people who agreed to pay after graduation (and the initial money is raised via a loan or bonds), what's your problem with it? All parties will have made an explicit agreement to pay, and no money from unwilling parties will be used.

Your position would be a lot stronger if you were someone who'd actually done what you propose for others.

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1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting

My wife got a loan from Dad. By loan, I mean with interest and doing work for him in the meantime. Does that count?

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03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

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I would apologize for my "position," (whatever that means) were I to be guilty of something.

Unfortunately, and to the chagrin of some, my Parents were very strong providers for their family.

Them's the facts......

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Maybe you don't believe that higher education for the youth of America will enable our great country to have someone ready to lead our nation in tech/industry/science??? Guess you believe that is the job of China??
I for one would gladly see $$ being spent educating our youth and keeping alive the concept of America as a leader in the world.... Most of us who envision our country in that way are probably not sucking on a tarnished silver spoon....



Yeah.... doesn't take a lot for those born to privilege.

Did they teach grammar at your school??

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1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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