Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Discussions > Off-Topic Discussion

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:11 PM
elchivito's Avatar
ĦAy Jodido!
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rancho Disparates
Posts: 4,075
Oregon passes tuition-free college

Somebody's actually trying to DO something about the absurd cost of college.

Oregon Legislature Unanimously Passes Tuition Free Higher Education -

__________________
You're a daisy if you do.
__________________________________
84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,213
This is awesome! (Cue people venting their spleens about creeping socialism in the US.)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:26 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 18,355
I read about that in the NYT the other day, if it's the same plan where students pay back their tuition to the state at a rate of about 3% of their salary. Interesting that the solution arose from a college economics class which analyzed the problem. It's not really 'tuition free', just an alternative to loans. I hope they included a GPA requirement in the system.
__________________
1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:30 PM
Botnst's Avatar
What knockers!
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 37,516
Somebody pays for it.

There is no negative feedback loop to control costs.

Guess what will happen with higher ed costs with no feedback loop?

Oh wait, that's exactly what has happened for the past 40 years of subsidized higher ed.

Who pays?
__________________
'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility at the other'
- Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:32 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,213
Subsidies have been cut, if anything. Public universities in the US date to the 1780s, if not earlier to colonial times.

And if the taxpayers pay, I'm fine with it -- I consider education and research worthy things for my taxes to pay for.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:39 PM
Botnst's Avatar
What knockers!
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: There castle.
Posts: 37,516
Broad subsidization of public higher ed tuition is a relatively new phenom. Other forms of support have a long history. It's easy to spend other people's money on things I like.

Now let's talk about feedback loops. Where is the feedback that contains cost in higher education?

Put another way, what would happen to housing rent cost if the fed gov subsidized everybody's rent?
__________________
'Government is like a baby:
An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and
no sense of responsibility at the other'
- Ronald Reagan
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:43 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 18,355
Unless Oregon has a way different system than Colorado, it's just not true that there is no negative feedback loop. Tuition only covers part of the cost of public universities. The rest comes thru the state legislature and has to be voted on. In Colorado, even tuition rates are subject to control by the legislature so there are a number of ways that budgets of public universities and colleges are under control.
__________________
1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:45 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Phoenix Arizona. Ex Durban R.S.A.
Posts: 3,700
There'd some college in NY that always used to be tuition free. There was a big wailing and gnashing of teeth recently when they realized it wasn't possible any longer. Can't remember its name but its one I've heard of before. Quite a decent one apparently. I agree with spdrun, that education and research are worth funding. But Bots right, without cost containment how do you ensure it will remain viable?

- Peter.
__________________
81 240D stick. 316000 miles at purchase. 342000 now
2000 GMC Sonoma
Formerly...
2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles. Deceased Jan 08
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-06-2013, 12:46 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by pj67coll View Post
There'd some college in NY that always used to be tuition free. There was a big wailing and gnashing of teeth recently when they realized it wasn't possible any longer. Can't remember its name but its one I've heard of before. Quite a decent one apparently. I agree with spdrun, that education and research are worth funding. But Bots right, without cost containment how do you ensure it will remain viable?

- Peter.
Cooper Union. And it's a private school, that made some fawked up investments and lost 50% of their endowment fund during the 2008 crash. Bad luck on their part.

I suspect that them charging tuition isn't a done deal either.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-06-2013, 03:20 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Texafornia
Posts: 5,493
Quote:
Originally Posted by Botnst View Post
Broad subsidization of public higher ed tuition is a relatively new phenom. Other forms of support have a long history. It's easy to spend other people's money on things I like.

Now let's talk about feedback loops. Where is the feedback that contains cost in higher education?

Put another way, what would happen to housing rent cost if the fed gov subsidized everybody's rent?
This--coming from a scientist, who's well being counts on govt grants to fund operating.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-06-2013, 03:22 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by pj67coll View Post
There'd some college in NY that always used to be tuition free. There was a big wailing and gnashing of teeth recently when they realized it wasn't possible any longer. Can't remember its name but its one I've heard of before. Quite a decent one apparently. I agree with spdrun, that education and research are worth funding. But Bots right, without cost containment how do you ensure it will remain viable?
Costs are limited to what can be garnered from 3% of your average state uni graduate's income for 20 years, spread out over four years. OK, not that simple, but funding isn't infinite here.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-06-2013, 03:57 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 7,334
Quote:
Originally Posted by spdrun View Post
Costs are limited to what can be garnered from 3% of your average state uni graduate's income for 20 years, spread out over four years. OK, not that simple, but funding isn't infinite here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by spdrun View Post
This is awesome! (Cue people venting their spleens about creeping socialism in the US.)
And when students take basket weaving as a major because they like that subject and no one hires them- how is 3% of a full time McDonald's order taker going to pay for the classes they took?

That's one of the major issues with today's universities students- they've been told to get a degree and then they do- in some subject which is economically un-viable. (I made up that word; but it fits) Then they expect someone to save them from the debt they racked up.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-06-2013, 04:07 PM
elchivito's Avatar
ĦAy Jodido!
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rancho Disparates
Posts: 4,075
Personally I think colleges should be really hard to get into and terribly expensive. You should have to have parents with really deep pockets or your own trust fund. Everyone else can suck it.
__________________
You're a daisy if you do.
__________________________________
84 Euro 240D 4spd. 220.5k sold
04 Honda Element AWD
1985 F150 XLT 4x4, 351W with 270k miles, hay hauler
1997 Suzuki Sidekick 4x4
1993 Toyota 4wd Pickup 226K and counting
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-06-2013, 04:10 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,213
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTUpower View Post
And when students take basket weaving as a major because they like that subject and no one hires them- how is 3% of a full time McDonald's order taker going to pay for the classes they took?
Funny, that most of the humanities majors whom I went to school with are doing just fine. The amount of truly unmarketable people who graduated from college is actually pretty tiny.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-06-2013, 05:49 PM
Skid Row Joe's Avatar
PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: #KeepAmericaGreat!
Posts: 6,805
If someone cannot work and pay as they go to college, then perhaps they shouldn't go. If one can get an edu free from any Gov't. entity, more power to 'em.

What's gotten out-of-hand is private edu at all levels. They just name their figure as to what the traffic will bear. Many times they have a published tuition fee, then will negotiate down quickly upon request. One college that won't deal is St. Louis University in St. Louis, MO.

But then again, I don't feel that private edu is all that great, NOT WORTH THE MONEY, in the first place. If a student wants to achieve, they'll do it anywhere. The ones that don't probably won't regardless whether the edu being public or private.

Most of my edu was private, however, I'm a big believer in getting one's edu from IN STATE public edu.

__________________

06 E320 CDI - PEWTER/CHARCOAL
2017 C7 Stingray Vert M7/MSRC/3LT/FE2 - Arctic White / Jet Black
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page