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martureo · #1 07-09-2013, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Convenient however that is not what Jim said in his post.

I'll go by what the Bible says over what Jim says any day.

"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44b-45 NASB)

davidmash · #2 07-09-2013, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I'll go by what the Bible says over what Jim says any day.

"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:44b-45 NASB)

I really do not care what you go by. My question was address to what JimFreeh said.

Yea. You let me know how that works for you when unspeakable horrors rain down on you and yours.

martureo · #3 07-09-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I really do not care what you go by. My question was address to what JimFreeh said.

Yea. You let me know how that works for you when unspeakable horrors rain down on you and yours.

I've lost a child. On my birthday. How about you?

I've been unemployed for years, lost my house, and then got fired from the first steady job after a month because the boss' boss was out of town when I was hired and when he came back he decided he didn't like me.

I have been hungry, no food for days. I've had so little money that I've had the electricity turned off, no fuel in the car, no way to get to work on a hot Summer day.

I've had my trials and I will continue to have them. Yet I have no reason to curse God, He has always provided.

davidmash · #4 07-09-2013, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I've lost a child. On my birthday. How about you?

I've been unemployed for years, lost my house, and then got fired from the first steady job after a month because the boss' boss was out of town when I was hired and when he came back he decided he didn't like me.

I have been hungry, no food for days. I've had so little money that I've had the electricity turned off, no fuel in the car, no way to get to work on a hot Summer day.

I've had my trials and I will continue to have them. Yet I have no reason to curse God, He has always provided.

Like I said, your experiences are trivial in comparison to the 3 million killed by Pol Pot, the people starving to death every day through out the world, the people like Mandela who were imprisoned in labor camps for 27 years, the families who are pulled out of their houses my military troops and summarily executed in the street.....

I have no reason to curse god either. I would be a fool to curse something I do not believe exists.

greazzer · #5 07-09-2013, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Like I said, your experiences are trivial in comparison to the 3 million killed by Pol Pot, the people starving to death every day through out the world, the people like Mandela who were imprisoned in labor camps for 27 years, the families who are pulled out of their houses my military troops and summarily executed in the street.....

I have no reason to curse god either. I would be a fool to curse something I do not believe exists.

So the measure of hardships is one-up-manship? OR, finding the most extreme events in recorded history and juxtaposing them against whatever another person says? God is not a god of bargains. I am thinking that should be understood before engaging in the tit-for-tat exchanges. If so, the exchanges will probably make more sense.

davidmash · #6 07-09-2013, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

So the measure of hardships is one-up-manship? OR, finding the most extreme events in recorded history and juxtaposing them against whatever another person says? God is not a god of bargains. I am thinking that should be understood before engaging in the tit-for-tat exchanges. If so, the exchanges will probably make more sense.

Not quite. The implication I got from his statement is that all hardships are equal (they are not) and that your god does not give someone more than they can bear (it does). This is not a one up, tit for tat. He is saying that he experienced hardship. I am merely pointing out that there are tens of thousands if not tens of millions who would gladly exchange their hardships for his.

There are days when I think my life sucks. All I h ave to do is think of what my family went through to realize that my life definitely does not suck in the slightest. May not be what I want, but it certainly does not suck.

greazzer · #7 07-09-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Not quite. The implication I got from his statement is that all hardships are equal (they are not) and that your god does not give someone more than they can bear (it does). This is not a one up, tit for tat. He is saying that he experienced hardship. I am merely pointing out that there are tens of thousands if not tens of millions who would gladly exchange their hardships for his.

There are days when I think my life sucks. All I h ave to do is think of what my family went through to realize that my life definitely does not suck in the slightest. May not be what I want, but it certainly does not suck.

Well, my bad for misunderstanding your comments. And yes, of course getting a parking ticket is far different than other hardships so to speak. Makes little point in trying to rank them, however, since that parking ticket may be a major issue or major consequence for one and not the other. God certainly knows the boundries of what I or you can bear, and He certainly tests us. What is the value of a test if the questions are too easy. Robert Nozick has a nice short story which I am thinking is what Martureo is trying to communicate. I could certainly be wrong as to what he is trying to communicate also. Personally, all the worldly harships ultimately fade into obsurity as Jesus provided to all of us his Peace. John 14:27. Robert Nozick's "Fiction" appeared in Ploughshares, vol. 6, no. 3, Fall 1980. Copyright © 1980 by Ploughshares. Its a good read since I know you don't care for the Bible. It might be uplifting in a secular sense.

elchivito · #8 07-09-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by greazzer

So the measure of hardships is one-up-manship? OR, finding the most extreme events in recorded history and juxtaposing them against whatever another person says? God is not a god of bargains. I am thinking that should be understood before engaging in the tit-for-tat exchanges. If so, the exchanges will probably make more sense.

Really? CLK man himself has told us how he promised god he'd quit that evil likker if only he'd save his wife. God apparently took the deal. The bible is full of bargains with god. Making deals with god is an ancient Hebrew tradition, and many Catholics practice it to this day. I have in my side yard an elaborate capilla - a little bitty chapel adorned with wrought iron, erected generations ago by a great grandparent as promised payment to the Blessed Virgin for saving a child's life. Mexican roadsides are dotted with such payments for "answered prayers."

Hey CLK, if you can find one in your neck of the woods, go get a plastic dashboard style statue of St. Joseph. It has to be St. Joseph. In the dirt outside your building dig a hole. Bury the statue upside down facing the building. Then pray to St. Joe to help you sell your property. No matter you're not a Cat-lick. St. Joe doesn't care. As my great uncle the Archbishop used to say, "It couldn't hurt".

tbomachines · #9 07-09-2013, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elchivito

Really? CLK man himself has told us how he promised god he'd quit that evil likker if only he'd save his wife. God apparently took the deal. The bible is full of bargains with god. Making deals with god is an ancient Hebrew tradition, and many Catholics practice it to this day. I have in my side yard an elaborate capilla - a little bitty chapel adorned with wrought iron, erected generations ago by a great grandparent as promised payment to the Blessed Virgin for saving a child's life. Mexican roadsides are dotted with such payments for "answered prayers."

Hey CLK, if you can find one in your neck of the woods, go get a plastic dashboard style statue of St. Joseph. It has to be St. Joseph. In the dirt outside your building dig a hole. Bury the statue upside down facing the building. Then pray to St. Joe to help you sell your property. No matter you're not a Cat-lick. St. Joe doesn't care. As my great uncle the Archbishop used to say, "It couldn't hurt".

Your sins will be forgiven if you say 3 hail mary's and 2 "our father's"